The NHL trade deadline is now just four days away. The rumors and rumblings are increasing and we have seen a few small deals, but we have yet to see one of the big names move.
Canes and Coffee’s coverage is now four articles deep. The latest from today looks at the trade deadline from Ron Francis’ angle and also includes links to the first three articles. We also went rogue on Wednesday night and made a case for the Carolina Hurricanes entering and even winning the Erik Karlsson sweepstakes.
In the Monday Coffee Shop polls and discussion readers were not optimistic that the Hurricanes would do a significant deal and also prioritized two possible forward additions above all others. Today’s polls and discussion questions, not surprisingly, also take on a trade deadline theme.
Carolina Hurricanes polls
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Discussion questions
1) If you had to name one more aggressive or outlandish deal (like the Karlsson possibility) what would it be?
2) Do you see the need or possibility for the Hurricanes to shake up the core either now or during the offseason and part ways with any of Justin Faulk, Jeff Skinner or Jordan Staal?
3) Anything else on the upcoming NHL trade deadline…GO!
Go Canes!
1) Outlandish I can do. Here goes: With Colorado still in the Western playoff chase, the Canes trade Rask for one of Colorado’s first round picks (Colorado needs a center, has cap space, and Rask complements Landeskog). The Canes then trade two first rounders and Fleury, and a prospect to Detroit for Zetterberg and Detroit’s 2018 first round pick, which the Canes use for either Wahlstrom or Farabee. This move makes room for both Necas and Bean next season, give the Hurricanes a top 6 center for the playoff push this year, and lands an outstanding prospect who drives offense for the future.
2) I don’t see a need. There is a possibility of trading either Skinner or Faulk. It would depend on acquiring another point producer either at forward (JVR or a similar player) or D (Karlsson??). Staal is staying.
3) In reality, I think it is much like the 2017 Draft–much less trade action than some of us anticipate. On a less than outlandish deal, I think Grabner might end up in Raleigh.
Not sure on the steps to get there, but I had Zetterberg on a short list during the summer. Interesting article that had MacKinnon #1. (https://canesandcoffee.com/daily-cup-of-joe/building-2017-18-carolina-hurricanes-roster-pt6-if-i-had-my-choice-for-one-forward-addition-plus-plan-b/) To be clear, I do not think MacKinnon was ever available, but at the time when Sakic was struggling mightily to move Duchene or Landeskog, might Francis been able to bid, bid again, bid again any pry him loose for a big package. Doubtful but who knows.
On Zetterberg, all indications are that he is riding it out in Detroit. Fans sometimes forget that NHL players are people. Zetterberg has lived in only 1 place in the United States and has spent half of his life there. He has favorite restaurants, ice cream places and all of the same stuff everyone else has that makes a place home. He has a wife and a young child who probably have neighborhood friends, play groups and all that comes with young kids. So it is maybe not as crazy as people think that he just stays.
But if he does decide to move on…He is a tremendous fit for the Hurricanes short-term. He brings more leadership but importantly in the form of a player who is still a very capable scoring, all situation, 2-way top 6 forward. And his contract works well too once you understand what it is. At first glance, 3 years remaining at $6.1M for a 37-year old looks daunting. But in terms of real salary (not cap hit), his 2018-19 salary is a modest $3.4M and then the last 2 years are only $1M per year. As long as the Canes can make the cap hit work, he is a bargain for 20181-19 and priced as a fourth line forward after that.
Based on his play right now, that fits well with getting 1-2 good years and 1-2 playoff berths with Zetterberg’s help while someone like Necas develops and then any after that would be a bonus.
Justin Faulk and a 4th, for JVR, Ron Hainsey and a 2nd.
This is just me being crazy. Would it work? Who knows.
I remain on my broken record on seeing zero reason to break up the core without good reason. I believe Justin Faulk is the most replaceable in our organization based on the depth at his position right now, so if I’d trade anyone it would be him. It’s quite possible that Jeff Skinner isn’t the best fit for what Bill Peters wants to do. If he and/or RF feel that way, it might be worth the king’s ransom we could get for him. But this is not something that I would actively be looking to do at this time.
We are building something here. We have four years of incremental improvements and while I did/do think this will be the year to break the drought, I have zero issue with filling the pool for another year, and intricately cement that foundation that allows us to make multiple massive trades that barely impact our future…kind of like Tampa Bay, lucky SOBs.
I just came here to post an outlandish deal that would never happen. It’s a very simple Johansen/Jones type deal…Noah Hanifin for Aleksander Barkov. Straight up. It’ll never happen but for us to land Barkov would be my dream. Even at the expense of Hanifin. Also pair with this your Erik Karlsson idea plus an addition of signing JVR in the off season and we’d be looking at this:
Aho/Barkov/Teravainen
JVR/Staal/Lindholm
Skinner/Necas/Williams
Foegele/Wallmark/McGinn
Slavin/Karlsson
Oduya/Pesce
Bean/TVR
Idk why I do this to myself lol
2) I more or less agree with ct
3)I’m guessing we do nothing before the deadline except maybe sell off Ryan and Stempniak.
1/ I’m basically going to look like a idiot here (not that that’s stopped me before): Hanifin/Faulk/Fleury + Rask + Roy/Wallmark/Saarela for ROR. I think we’re going to have to overpay to get our difference-maker on offense, but from what I can tell from history, it’s hard to overpay for the right player.
2/ I’m torn but basically agree with ct.
3/ I think the real action for us is going to happen in June around the draft, though as we saw last year, more teams talking doesn’t necessarily lead to more deals.
1a/ Fleury for Alexander Wennberg.
ammullic – I don’t know why I do this either.
ammullic and dmiller–thanks for keeping me company in the outland.
Actually, I like combining your two trades: Hainfin + Rask + Wallmark for Barkov.
Sorry dmiller, but I think Barkov is at least a level above ROR also younger and cheaper.
I’ve heard Nick Bjugstad’s name bandied about but not Barkov – I don’t think they’d part with Barkov.
I don’t think they would either. But that’s why it’s outlandish!
Whatever works. I’m in love with the idea of having Barkov center Aho and Teravainen. That all Finnish first line would be great for years to come. It helps that I actually like the idea of Aho at LW because someone from Finland had posted here giving some convincing reasons for why he would put up more points there and I agreed with them.
1a) Outlandish deal:
To EDM: Rask, Faulk, Ryan, Roy, 2018 1st
To CAR: Draisaitl
1b) Outlandish deal:
To TOR: Staal, Pesce, 2018 2nd
To CAR: Marner, JVR, Connor Carrick
2) The core of Staal, Skinner, Faulk has not made the playoffs and keeps getting pushed below the line every opportunity they have a chance to create separation. While not entirely anyone’s fault, this fact remains. A shake up is needed for this team to move beyond old habits…whether now, draft day or early next year.
3) One more outlandish option…
To OTT: Bean, Kuokkanen, 2018 1st, 2018 3rd, 2019 4th
To CAR: Karlsson*
*only if re-sign occurs upon deal
1) Jordan Staal, Haydn Fleury, Derek Ryan, and Noah Hanifin to Edmonton for Leon Draisaitl, and Darnell Nurse.
2)See number 1.
3)Can’t think of anything.