The last article in the Canes and Coffee trade deadline series is HERE in case you missed it. Rather than writing boring and probable, the article goes the route of dramatic big game hunting. While admittedly unlikely, I actually think the deals laid out make sense.
The hope is to put a couple polls up and maybe add discussion questions related to any Carolina Hurricanes deals or possibly other deals if Francis does not broker a deal, more broadly…Pull up a chair and/or check in throughout the day as we hopefully have a fun time bandying about trade possibilities leading up to the afternoon deadline.
Carolina Hurricanes poll questions
Please remember to click ‘vote’ after each individual poll response.
Tentative plan is to add a few polls as the day progresses and news breaks.
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Discussion questions
1) (For before it happens) Will Ron Francis make a trade (or more) today? If so, what?
2) If you were Ron Francis would you consider collecting more futures for some combination of Lee Stempniak and/or Derek Ryan with the aim of back filling their slots with AHL call ups?
Go Canes!
If this were a couple days ago I’d say it’s time to spend futures to make a big splash/shot in the arm deal happen for a scorer with term on his contract. I was even into the idea of picking up Grabner as a shoot first RW for modest pay and moving Lindholm to the middle permanently in hopes of just making to the playoffs.
Now I’m not sure I have a strong opinion on what should happen. Buy big or sell and sort out some of the AHL guys. Either way should be interesting. Last thing I’d like to see is us standing pat with this group.
The Canes don’t need to stockpile any more futures. They need to parlay the picks and players they have in an attempt to acquire players who can produce. You won’t get much for Ryan and Stempaniak, might as well keep ’em and make whatever run you can for the last playoff spot. Another fourth round pick who won’t play third line minutes for another two or three years isn’t going to get it done. Play some of these guys from Charlotte to see what you’ve got. As good as the offensive numbers are for a couple of guys, it’s the AHL and that success does not always translate to the NHL. Unless the Canes can pick up a true stud who will be in Raleigh for a number of years, I say stay pat and make the big changes in the off season.
Jay Greenburg wrote a fascinating article on Eklund’s site in which he maintains that buyers benefit more than sellers at the deadline. His arguments, as well as the numbers he uses to support those arguments are compelling. So, Ronnie, let’s be buyers. Let’s pick up Johnny Oduya off waivers. That will give us a LHD backup. Demote Fleury and put Dahlbeck next to Faulk. We’ll have happier goalies and a more productive Faulk. Our RHD backup will be Trevor Carrick. He will raise heck with enemy players who are trying to take up residence in front of our net.
Then let’s go out and get either Maroon or Lucic or Archibald. Any of these men will provide inspiration to the entire team while discouraging enemy players. History shows that we will need such men in the playoffs,if we hope to go beyond the first round.
1. The answer to this question may lie in who GMRF is willing to part ways with. If we want a player with term left on his contract who fits the build we are on, then we may have to send a young player out who has been inconsistent yet still has promise (Lindy, Hanifin, Fleury, plus picks). I highly doubt teams are enticed by our bottom-6 group (at least for the return we need).
For players who are rentals such as Kane (we’d likely need to extend them as part of any deal), but I’m not sure who would want to re-sign here right now.
2. If anything the “winning” culture in Charlotte should continue cultivating. I don’t think call-ups are the answer or resolve for this year.
As for our mid 20s veterans, my guess is that teams who may be interested in Faulk or Skinner are likely the ones who are looking to add to their roster rather than deplete. I don’t think anyone is going to give us a young player with upside (never mind a 1st rounder for either), especially given the defensive flaws in both their games.
I hope that we’re opportunistic but I’ve resigned myself either to a minor deal or no deal; most likely, we’re waiting until the offseason for anything major (Pacioretty, Karlsson, RNH, etc.). I’d love to be wrong about that.
I generally agree with tenininumee that we don’t need futures, but I’d still trade Ryan, Stempniak, Jooris, Nordstrom, or Kruger – any pending UFA really – for futures and use that as an excuse to promote prospects from CLT.
Coming back to your other article today, Matt, I think the real “untouchable” list is quite short if we’re talking about obtaining a Subban/Johansen/Hall caliber player: maybe just Aho, Staal, and Slavin here, and Necas below. To get a player like Karlsson, I’d include almost anyone in a package if I thought the overall deal was fair for us. I think history shows that it’s almost impossible to overpay for a player like that.
I am on the same page in terms of no one being completely off the table in terms of capitalizing on the opportunity to obtain a player like Erik Karlsson. But he is the only allegedly available player that I put in this category, and it can’t be one of the short list of untouchables plus the whole crazy package that includes 4-5 other valuable pieces.
I feel that Aho, Slavin, and Necas should only be on the table if we are getting a true #1C; and I’m talking about a Tavares or Draisaitl level player.
I also feel like Pesce should be off the table unless you’re talking about Karlsson as well.
I am very glad that you guys are not the GM. Would you like to trade away the core of our team for one great player? Buffalo doesn’t have a core, but they have a great player. Yuck! Ottawa did trade away their core in order to build around their newly acquired miracle man, Matt Duchene. Among other unpleasantness, they have a fan revolt. Yuck! My beloved Canes are just fine. They need one or two adjustments and they are in the playoffs. Let’s be patient and let Ronnie do his job.
And you forgot the poster child for “great players = lousy success” – Edmonton. And with their eminent cap hit it is only going to get worse for them.
Here is what I honestly want to see for the rest of the season:
Make some room to bring up 3-4 guys from Charlotte and give them the ice time we need to truly evaluate them. At a minimum we at least know those guys are going give 100% every time they step on the ice.
Let’s commit to the Aho and Lindholm as #1 and 2 centers experiment until Staal returns.
Give Darling back the starters workload and find out if he is going to sink or find a way to swim.
This will give us tons of valuable information going into next year. I feel that despite the inconsistency this year that the Canes are close to being a decent playoff team. I don’t think we make it this year, awesome if we do but even then we most likely wouldn’t make it out of the first round. Get a clear picture for next year and add some key pieces in the offseason (Tavares, RNH, JVR).
Supposedly Robin Lehner has submitted a formal trade request to Buffalo. Thoughts?
He is .910 in 46 games this year. Was at .920 as a starter last year, and .924 in 2015-16 as a back-up.
He is a free agent this summer and as such a rental.
Here is how I see the goalie situation. I think it makes sense for Francis to have thought deeply over the past week or so about what he intends to do with the goalie position this summer.
Ward, who has been more than solid as a backup, but probably is not a #1 at this stage of his career (especially without a solid #2) is a free agent.
Darling has struggled mightily enough that you have to at least thing about taking the loss and moving on.
IF Francis plans to add a new goalie this summer and especially if he plans to do so by dropping Darling (eating maximum half of salary in a trade or otherwise buying him out), then doing a trial on a rental goalie could be really smart.
We have seen twice now how tough the transition is, so getting someone like Lehner (or Mrazek who was already dealt) or Raanta (who might/might not be available) in early to maybe help with 2017-18 but also to see how they settle into the team/situation for consideration this summer could be a wise move as long as the cost is modest. I would NOT spend a bunch to add a player who will be UFA in July.
We need an attitude adjustment the GM, Coach, players and the fans. Hit reset. We have some really nice young talent and more on the way. Make your decision on whos in and whos out and get us some first line players. Right now Aho is our only true first line player. We have good depth for 2nd 3rd and 4th line players. We need to push hard for 1c 1w. We should blow Tavarez away with a contract offer. I’ve said this before we have robin now we need Batman! Then see who else wants to join him in free agency (JVR?). That one move changes everyone’s perspective on Canes and how players see our team. No more laughing stock of NHL. We have a nice influx of youth in the pipeline now (cheap). We can afford 1 huge contract even if we over pay. We need to over pay! GET IT DONE this summer!
As for right now need to target young players with term left. No rentals.
Darling has to be #1 goalie here on out or get rid of him. Make a decision!
Rask,Ryan and Stempniak should be traded.
Skinner too for right deal. He is a minus player period.who cares if you score 30 if your minus player. Toronto would be drooling to get Skinner for a cup run.
How about JVR for Faulk?
Book it.
Flyers just landed Oduya. I think he would have been a good add for the Canes.
If Pittsburgh has another goalie injury, maybe JR would consider Cam Ward as a playoff rental. Ward excels during the playoffs, is not getting any younger and JR sure likes him.
If we could trade Ward to Pit for something and ten get Lenner from Buf plus riding Darling for the rest of the season to see where it goes, I think it would be pretty neat.
So, Golden24, you say, “…who cares if you score 30 if your minus player “. But then you say in the next sentence, “Toronto would be drooling to get Skinner for a cup run.” What does Toronto know that we don’t? Maybe a guy who scores 30 plus goals per year is worth his weight in gold? Maybe we shouldn’t care if he is a minus player as long as he continues to score.
Jooris to Pens…
Jooris to Pens for Greg Mc Kegg. A center.
2019 late round draft pick to Calgary for Nick Shore. Another center.
RF sure has a comfy job.
I wish I got paid such good money for doing nothing.
Devils picked up Maroon for a very reasonable hall.
Flyers snagged an experience defenseman for nearly nothing.
We trade what is, in my opinion, the best of our bad 4th line acquisitions for a Penguins castaway (no offense to the guy, he is a pretty unknown quantity).
Oops! We didn’t get Shore. Sorry.
Seems we can only make deals with Pittsburgh & Chicago. The GM has a responsibility to the fans to put an exciting and entertaining team on the ice. Has RF done this? I would ask this same question even if we hadn’t lost 5 in a row. Congrats to Vegas for assembling a team with complimentary players, a nice balance of experience and youth, leadership, and grit. What a great example of putting an exciting product on the ice when most expectations were minimal. I understand and agree to some extent with the strategy and vision of RF, I just think the youth movement approach should be more balanced.