After some time to digest the latest chance to evaluate the younger part of the Carolina Hurricanes’ prospect pool at prospect camp in late June, today’s Daily Cup of Joe attempts to make sense of the blue line portion of the group.
With Jaccob Slavin, Brett Pesce and Haydn Fleury already up at the NHL level and Noah Hanifin already departed from the group, I like to think of the prospect pool across two categories — nearness to being ready and potential ceiling. The first aims to measure ability to help soon, and the second measures the potential to find an impact player or two.
I have started to group the Hurricanes’ blue line prospects into three fairly broad categories:
Near-term NHL depth (2)
Roland McKeown and Trevor Carrick
For players who have proven themselves at the AHL level and seem ready or near-ready to step into the NHL at least in a depth role and be serviceable or better, I count two players – Roland McKeown and Trevor Carrick. McKeown always seems to find a higher gear in NHL action be in preseason to prove a point or in the regular season when given a chance. He burst onto the professional scene by more or less winning the last defenseman roster spot at the NHL level before the 2016-17 season. Ron Francis thought better of it and added depth defensemen off the waiver wire, so McKeown could log a ton of ice time in Charlotte and continue his development. I do not see his ceiling as being as high as some of the other players, but I think at a minimum he is capable of filling in at the NHL level. At 24 years old, Trevor Carrick is a bit more controversial in this category, as he clearly straddles the fence between being NHL-capable versus just a good AHL player. From what I have seen of Carrick, I view him as a fringe AHL/NHL player who leans AHL and is best slotted as deep NHL depth in the event of an injury. But I am also on record as hoping that he gets his chance to prove he can make it in the NHL.
High upside prospects (3)
Luke Martin, Adam Fox and Jake Bean
As a first-round draft pick, Jake Bean has always lived near the top of the Hurricanes prospect rankings. I am on record as being lower on Bean’s potential than most simply because my opinion is that the defensive part of his game is still lagging by too much. I think Bean could be serviceable quarterbacking the second unit of an NHL power play today, and in his comfort zone with the puck on his stick and a bit of time/space to assess things, I think he could also thrive. The issue is that even for an offensive-minded defenseman in today’s NHL that favors such players a minimum level of defensive competency is still required. I am not sure Bean is there or even close to there yet, and I think he needs time in the AHL to work on that part of his game. But the NHL is unmistakably moving in the direction of skating and creating defensemen. That is exactly what Bean is and exactly why he could prove me wrong and become a difference-maker as an NHLer. Luke Martin is almost an exact opposite of Bean. He really impressed me at prospect camp in June. With his size, reach and equally importantly courage to step up and use it make attacking forwards move laterally to beat him, Martin projects to be the rare breed of stay-home defensemen who is miserable to play against. Finally, the newest entry into the prospect pool is Adam Fox who was obtained from Calgary in the draft weekend trade. Fox is a bit like Bean in that he is an undersized, skating defenseman who leans offense. I tagged him as the best offensive player in the prospect camp scrimmage finale and based on that am high on his upside and potential to become an offensive difference-maker. Also like Bean, the keys for a player like Fox are twofold. First, he must be able to translate his offensive ability to the NHL level. Some defenseman with vision and skating ability can feast on lesser prospects at lower levels but cannot do the same at the NHL level (reference Ryan Murphy) at which point they are suddenly relegated to being an undersized, good skating defenseman who sub-par defensively. Second, even offensive defensemen must play at some ‘serviceable’ level defensively to avoid being too much of a liability in that regard. All three players have work to do, but I think all three players at least possess the potential to not just play at the NHL level but even be difference-makers.
Wild cards drafted below the level where NHL success is likely (5)
Michael Fora, Brendan De Jong, Jesper Sellgren, Josh Wesley, Ville Rasanen
In recent years, the Hurricanes have regularly spent late-round draft picks to add wild card type defensemen to the prospect pool. In fact, the Hurricanes have used their sixth round pick to add a defenseman in three consecutive drafts. The uncertainty with players drafted this late is illustrated by the fact that the Hurricanes chose not to sign 2016 sixth-rounder Noah Carroll to an NHL contract. Players drafted this late are low probabilities to ever make the NHL, and most that do are depth players. Perhaps the most interesting player in this group is Michael Fora. Fora took a different route as an undrafted European player who has worked his way up gradually. He played well enough in the international tourney in May that the Hurricanes signed him as a free agent. He looked decent at prospect camp, but important to note is his age. Fora will turn 23 in October. As such, he was an odd gray beard in a group full of 18-20 year olds. As such, he needs to adapt to the North American game quickly. Because of what he did against a decent helping of NHL talent in the world tourney, Fora rates highest of this group right now, but to a man these players need to find a higher gear to become a going concern at the NHL level.
Netting it out
Though there could theoretically be issues with signing him, Adam Fox was a nice addition. He brings another player with a high ceiling to a group that is a bit light right now. I also like McKeown as a capable NHL call up possibly still with upside as he grows. Martin and Bean round out a small group of players with higher-end potential. As of right now, the rest of the players in this group are still lottery tickets who need to find a higher trajectory.
Taking a shot at ranking the Carolina Hurricanes defenseman prospect pool
Ranking prospects is a very imperfect process and subject to change by wide amounts in just a couple months when preseason action arrives. But for the sake of July hockey debate, here is my ranking of the Hurricanes prospect defensemen.
Important to note is that my rankings are done with a bias toward potential difference-makers with high ceilings, and I do also value NHL-readiness even if it is in the form of a player with a depth defenseman ceiling. In addition, I place higher emphasis on my visual scouting of the players. That is admittedly limited with mostly prospect camp, the Traverse City Tourney and preseason NHL action.
Without further ado, here are my rankings:
1) Adam Fox
He was just so incredibly good in the prospect scrimmage. I recognize that my viewing of him is an incredibly tiny sample size, but I have to go off something, and I thought he was better offensively than Bean in the prospect camp. So I give the nod to Fox over Martin because of a bias for offense in today’s NHL and a not over Bean because I thought Fox was better in game/game-like action at prospect camp.
2) Luke Martin
Like Fox, I really liked his game at prospect camp. In an era where big, stay-home defensemen are growing out of favor, I still think Martin has the potential to become a disruptive difference-maker on the defensive side of the puck.
3) Jake Bean
Someone in the comments will say that Bean should be #1. And I think there are valid cases to be made for exactly that. Bean’s smarts and offensive ability keep his high ceiling intact.
4) Roland McKeown
If I had to plug one of these prospect defensemen into an NHL game that mattered tomorrow, McKeown would be my choice. He rates fourth on this list simply because I do not see him as having the upside of the some of the others. But thus far, McKeown has always risen to the challenge of what’s next, so it is not out of the question that his next leap is bigger than I anticipate and they he has a higher ceiling than I project so far.
5) Michael Fora
He looked a bit like Luke Martin-lite in prospect camp as a big defenseman with good gap control that made him hard to beat. The real read on him will be preseason and/or the AHL season.Within 4-5 months, we should have a better idea for if the Hurricanes found a diamond in the rough or if instead, Fora was bypassed draft-wise a few years back for good reason.
6) Brendan De Jong
Like Fora and Martin, De Jong has great size and reach. His game has always been a mixed bag for me. He has size in abundance and skates okay forward, but I question the mobility/agility aspect of his skating for today’s NHL game.
7) Jesper Sellgren
Sellgren fits the bill as a late-round draft pick who projects to at least be skating-capable. That is an important screen for later round draft picks, as players who are sub-par in terms of skating just start from such a big disadvantage.
8) Trevor Carrick
With my bias for upside/ceiling, Carrick drops all the way to eighth despite being arguably the second most NHL-ready prospect in the group. Again, based primarily on watching him play in limited action, I see Carrick as possibly a capable depth defenseman but not really higher.
9) Josh Wesley
After spending the first two years of his entry-level deal playing mostly at the ECHL level, the 2018-19 season could be make or break for Wesley’s NHL hopes. The Hurricanes lost a few veteran defensemen to free agency which creates an opening for Wesley to seize a regular role at the AHL level. If he does that, he will have the chance to make a case for his next contract.
10) Ville Rasanen
He did not look great a prospect camp in my opinion. He just looked to be a step slow on everything. But as a 19-year old who is so early in his development and whose rights can be maintained for awhile, it is not impossible that he eventually finds a higher gear and bumps up the depth chart.
What say you Canes fans?
1) Who wants to make Jake Bean’s case for being #1 on this list? (I think there is a legitimate case.)
2) Which of the wild cards, if any, do you like?
3) How do you prioritize readiness and AHL performance (McKeown, Carrick) over upside (Fox, Bean, Martin)?
Go Canes!
1) I forget who it was, but one of the others pointed out that Bean usually makes the team more successful. That alone is a great argument.
2) Don’t know enough about any of them to sound anything other than uninformed.
3) Readiness is big–call it the Murphy factor.
I might actually rank Martin #1 because his skill set seems most easily transferred. However, I am confused about his size. Eliteprospects and hurricanes.com both list him at 6’4″, yet I the prospect camp had him at 6’2″. This might be silly, but if he is the former, then I think he will be a beast. If the latter, than a solid partner for Bean or another puck-moving LD. (For what it is worth the U. Michigan roster splits the difference at 6’3″.)
I think I am the one who mentioned that about Bean, ct. That is something that is really struck me about him in his juniors career.
Bean should be the number one on this list.? Here are several reasons why that is the case.
1. He is signed to a contract with the Canes. I think Fox will sign but he hasn’t yet. Bean is the best defensive prospect currently signed in the Hurricanes system.
2. Bean has natural skating ability and offensive talent that can’t be taught. Bean has scored in juniors and international play. As he finds his game in the AHL he will put up more points.
3. Bean is left handed and after the Hanifin trade, he is the best offensive LHD in the canes organization period. Does his defensive play need work? Yes. That’s why he is a prospect but no LHD- Slavin, Fleury or DeHaan have better offensive upside than Bean.
4. Bean has the undefinable “it” factor. I wouldn’t say cocky but he is very comfortable with his game and who he is. As he matures physically and finds his defensive game he will be a key player on the blue line.
I knew someone would build a strong case for Jake Bean. Nice work!
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It will be interesting to watch him and all of these players develop. The team is still light on volume of expected NHL prospects, but Fox and Fora were nice additions this summer to boost the blue line prospect pool.
I have no problem with any of the comments above. So I will only add one thing. The only player of this group of defensemen I have appraisals of his performance from multiple sources, both internal and outside the organization is Fox. Fox, playing at the college level against older players than most of the other prospects listed, has accumulated the greatest amount of accolades and awards for achievement than any of the other defensemen. Based upon this and his performance at the training session I would say at this moment in time he rates as our best prospect long term. But Fox is of no help in the short term (stepping in during the coming NHL season). For the short term (the upcoming season) it seems to me that McKeon, Fora, and Carrick are the only viable options if we need a callup. I don’t believe any one of the three would be an unmitigated disaster in that event, but based on my limited viewing of each of these players For a would has the best all around game and tools to step in and play at an acceptable level. This opinion is based upon his ability to use the first pass and/or his skating ability to move the puck out of the defensive zone. The lack of this trait or ability along with limited offensive production have been the major reasons the team has been less than enamored with Murphy, Hanifin, Bellemore, etc. in Canes past and has been the deciding point in making them expendable. Remember when you read this, I’m still waiting on that call from the Red Wings for that scouting job they had advertised in 1965. Knowing this, please feel free to check my comments for spelling errors, but go easy on me otherwise if you can.
Correction to sentence:
…limited viewing of each of these players, FORA has the best…
I neede that laugh thank you!
After prospects camp, an out-of-the-box thought occurred. For these so-called “offensive defenseman” that are great puck distributors, skate well, but don’t defend so well, consider a move to center.
Positional moves are common in other sports, particularly with the transitions into college and pro.
With five (I think) assists in the prospect game, should Adam Fox be considered at center? Is his defense good enough now to be an impact player at center, right now? What about Bean? It is ok to say “my mouse fell off the wheel” if others know of examples where this was tried and didn’t (or did) work, i don’t recall any examples.
This thought places Fox on the top of the list for me.
I was debating if I should post a response. My viewpoint is different. Responses really depend on your viewpoint. IMO the best prospects at the present time are Carrick and McKeown. They are the ones ready to step in. Carrick is physical, something that seems to be underappreciated.
Ever since the Ryan Murphy experiment I saw how a under sized D who was supposed to be fast and someone who could score, get ate up by the forwards. The great speed never mattered much because he could not protect the puck or win battles. I am not going to say all undersized D will be that way but it makes me question Bean and Fox. High ceilings, yes, but top of the list is questionable for me. How effective will they be playing against men. So to me, they have development to do yet. They could be great in the future. I guess the intent of the post is to forecast futures, in which case maybe they do deserve the high ratings.
1) No on Bean being #1 on this list? He has to improve his defensive capabilities yet before he could ever enter the NHL.
2) wild cards, maybe Fora. He could be more ready.
3) My measuring stick is different then how will they be 3 years from now. That can change quite a bit over time. When I rate them I look at readiness more then potential ceiling. I look at who could step in and not get eaten alive. I rate McKeown and Carrick over Fox, Bean, Martin. I probably messed up the point of rating our prospects as I think the article is more about futures but I am looking more short term then long term when I rate them.
Amen, brother.
For me the truth is the D looks pretty amazing in 2021:
Slavin/Fox
Bean/Pesce
de Haan/Martin
Fleury/Fora