After a delay while covering the news of Brett Pesce’s contract extension (‘Initial thoughts’ are HERE, and ‘A second level of detail is HERE.), today’s Daily Cup of Joe is part 3A of a series assessing and ranking the Hurricanes prospects. Part 1 featured the five goalie prospects, and part 2 assessed the 15 defensemen in the Hurricanes organization.
Part 3A today starts into the sizable group of prospect and AHL veteran forwards. So I can discuss at least the top half of the group in some detail without writing a novel, the forwards will be split into a couple parts.
Forwards
Whereas the Hurricanes blue line prospect pool has a couple good high-end prospects but is actually a bit thin simply because so many young players have already jumped to the NHL level (which is obviously the goal, so that is a good thing), I would say that Francis’ restocking of the prospect pool is complete at the forward position. My rough count is 9 forwards who are capable of playing in the top half of an NHL roster and a good mix of centers and wings, size and speed, and skill and size. At the NHL level, I think the Hurricanes current strength is its young defense, but one level lower in the prospect pool I think the greatest strength is at the forward position.
Without further ado, here are the top 5 forward prospect rankings…
Prospects with top half of the roster potential and scoring upside
#1 – Julien Gauthier (Charlotte Checkers-AHL)
Gauthier (Article log HERE) is nearly in a class by himself in terms of raw upside. By my book, only Martin Necas is in Gauthier’s neighborhood is Martin Necas. Gauthier brings an unmatched physical skill set as a hulking power forward frame complemented by a surprising combination of speed, agility, skating and finishing ability. He has every bit the potential of a Rick Nash in terms of goal scoring ability. But just like with almost every young prospect, Gauthier has limitations. In preseason NHL action and also from reports from juniors, he still has stretches where he is too quiet and his game without the puck on his stick both offensively and defensively is not as advanced as his play with the puck. Gauthier has work to do to round out his game and could likely spend chunk of time at the AHL level, but if he can fill a few gaps, his upside is tremendous.
Shorter version: Gauthier’s raw skill is immense, but he still has work to do both in terms of consistency and his play without the puck so that he is an even player at the NHL level on the shifts where he is not making big plays.
Potential upside (Ceiling): 10 – He has the potential to become an elite scorer and the type of power forward who creates match up problems and coaching adjustments.
Probability of success (Floor): 6 – Gauthier does not score nearly as high in terms of probability for success simply because he has significant work to do to round out his game without the puck and also because he is still a work in progress in terms of being a difference-maker every shift instead of just intermittently when the switch flips on.
#2 – Martin Necas (Most likely to play either Canadian juniors or possibly back in the Czech Republic)
Necas (Profile and post-draft reading list) is cut from a different mold than power forward Gauthier, but his upside is nearly as high. What stood out to watching Necas for the first time at prospect camp in June was his ability to handle the puck and make offensive plays at top speed. Raw skating speed is a positive obviously, but what separates the elite scorers in the NHL from the second tier is the ability to attack and play offense at 100 percent of top speed, not 80 percent like others. My first impression of Necas is that he might possess that ability. With his skill and raw speed, he could project to be a speedy finisher at wing or a center capable of pushing pace through the middle of the rink and generating offense off the rush. Regardless of where he lands positionally, he has high upside nearly equal to Gauthier with simply adding a bit more strength and weight as part of his work list on the way to the NHL.
Shorter version: He has work to do, but Necas’ skill set easily projects to be a top 6 forward and an above average scorer. With a combination of speed, skill and hockey sense, he just needs to progress over the next couple years.
Potential upside (Ceiling): 9 – Necas’ ceiling is just a notch below Gauthier’s but not by much. He projects to be in the top 6 and among the team’s leading scorers a couple years down the road.
Probability of success (Floor): 7 – As a European player yet to face NHL-like competition, the risk with Necas is noral development risk for any other highly-drafted 18-year old. He is good for his age group but will need to make significant strides from there to work up two more levels to the NHL.
#3 – Janne Kuokkanen (Unclear if he will jump to the AHL, stay in juniors or return to Finland)
Kuokkanen’s (Article log HERE) stock rose more than any other for me based on prospect camp. Though I would give Gauthier the prospect camp award for highest volume and level of ‘wow’ plays, I would be inclined to still rate Kuokkanen as the most outstanding player for the full week. He was assertive, crisp, decisive and consistent throughout the week and stood out as a player clearly ready to compete at the next level. Kuokkanen is a bit like Rask in that he does not possess raw speed, but his skating has improved and he seems to have Rask’s decision-making ability but possibly with a bit more playmaking upside.
Based on his prospect camp, I have him pegged as a dark horse to crack the NHL roster. If that does not happen, his 2017-18 destination is unclear. He could return to juniors, though that seems unlikely. As a European draftee, the AHL is an option as is a return to Finland. Regardless, I have him pegged as a rising prospect right now and one to watch closely.
Shorter version: Kuokkanen made good step-wise progress hopping the pond to play Canadian juniors in 2016-17, but his season was nothing spectacular. But he really stood out as top of the class at the prospect camp, which has me boosting him up above other promising centers like Roy and Wallmark.
Potential upside (Ceiling): 8 – I think Kuokkanen has the potential to follow Victor Rask’s path but with more upside offensively especially in terms of playmaking ability.
Probability of success (Floor): 7 – I would rate his probability of success about as high as possible for a player who has yet to play a professional game, but there are obviously risks with an AHL and an NHL jump still remaining.
#4 – Lucas Wallmark (Charlotte Checkers-AHL)
Wallmark (Article log HERE) had a strong 2016-17 season. He seemed to take about half of a season to settle in and really get comfortable in his first season at the AHL level, but once he did, he excelled. Wallmark’s goal scoring surged, and he was regularly one of the best players on the ice in the second half of the AHL season with the Checkers. He also looked steady and not in over his head in a short stint with the Hurricanes which is another sign that he could be ready to make the jump to the AHL soon.
Shorter version: Wallmark did everything one could ask in his first season in the AHL in 2016-17 and prior to Francis adding a couple more depth forwards in Marcus Kruger and Josh Jooris, Wallmark figured to be in the mix for an NHL slot. The time frame may be delayed but Wallmark still looks capable.
Potential upside (Ceiling): 6.5 – His goal scoring outburst definitely opens the possibility that I am wrong, but I still see Wallmark as a sound depth forward with more offensive ability than a run of the mill fourth-liner. That is valuable but a notch below the players above him.
Probability of success (Floor): 7.5 – With a successful year of AHL hockey under his belt, a successful cup of tea at the NHL level and good two-way acumen, Wallmark has a pretty high probability of at least becoming a serviceable depth NHLer.
#5 – Nicolas Roy (Charlotte Checkers-AHL)
Roy (Article log HERE) deserves a ton of credit for doing everything that he could possibly do in the two years since being a bit of a draft year disappointment dropping from a potential first round selection all the way to the fourth round. Since then, he has climbed steadily upward with two solid junior seasons that included across the board improvement. His scoring totals rose. In addition, he made strides in terms of skating, face-offs, leadership and just about everything else. Skating aside, Roy’s game is pretty complete for his age. At 6 feet 5 inches tall, Roy easily has NHL size but is borderline NHL-wise in terms of agility, skating ability and straight line speed. How well he can skate the middle of the rink and keep up in transition will be critical to how high he rises.
Worth noting is that most everything I read is higher on Roy than I am. I see him as a player who will need a couple years at the AHL level and even still is more of a third line type forward.
Shorter version: For many, he is a wild card for training camp. Like everyone else, I like his size and development thus far, but I just see him as being a couple years away from NHL-ready as he continues to make gains in terms of mobility.
Potential upside (Ceiling): 7 – The ceiling for Roy is Jordan Staal light though I think even the high end is limited by skating ability. But he could be a very good third line forward with size.
Probability of success (Floor): 6.5 – In Roy’s favor is the development of his all-around game, though the ‘skating above all else’ version of the NHL today sees Roy as below average in a critical skill.
What say you Canes fans?
With my top 5 forwards posted, who are you surprised to see ranked #6 or lower?
Based on what you have read and seen, where do you come down in terms of ranking a trio of centers with different skill sets in Kuokkanen, Wallmark and Roy?
Go Canes!
I was fascinated to see where you were going to rank the top 5. You obviously paid close attention at the prospect camp and have been getting a lot of information.
Based on my limited information, I tried to “guess” at the top 5 and it was significantly different:
1) Kuokkanen–I have only seen him once on TV in a junior game. He stood out as looking like he was thinking ahead of everyone else. You, Brandon, and several of the other C&C regulars who attended the camp reinforce that Kuokkanen has a special “something.” While his upside is not quite as great, I think he is at the top combining talent with a high likelihood of being a top 6 soon.
2) Necas–totally based on your comments that he is fast and makes plays at top speed.
3) Roy–I might be over-emphasizing numbers. He was in the top 6 in his league in points per game–almost identical to Hischier. In addition, he won the Guy Charboneau award as best defensive forward in all of the CHL. Whatever deficiency he has skating, he apparently makes plays on both ends of the ice. Finally, he was on a much weaker team than Gauthier or Kuokkanen and still competed in the playoffs.
4) Gauthier–for all the reasons you said.
5) Saarela–Close among him, Wallmark, and Zykov. But Jordan mentioned more than once that, like you point out about Necas, he plays fast and is able to shoot while near top gear. If he stays healthy, he could be really good.
This is a great conversation because the Canes have a talented and deep group.
Important to note is that the future is more about how much these players develop/improve than where they are now. As high as I am on Gauthier’s upside and physical skill set, my thinking right now (subject to change quickly in training camp) is that he is still a full year of AHL work away.
In addition, I think any of my top 9 are at least a wild card for surprising and making the NHL roster for 2017-18 especially if an injury or two makes more room.
Rather than getting bogged down in who is #2 vs. who is #7, I think the bigger picture is that the depth is there (not going to be there, it’s there) at forward.
Remember when our top prospects were Boychuck, Bowman and Dalpe? Francis has done an incredible job restocking the pipeline with actual NHL capable prospects.
Seems like just weeks ago the defensive depth was a siren call to trade a dman (or 2) for a forward. My how the worm has turned.
Yes. It is important to note that exactly none of these players are sure things for being NHL-ready for 2017-18. Most are a year or so away.
Yes, our depth at forward is quite something and a major turn-around. And there are also two high-end players – or players that I’ve continued to think are high-end players – that didn’t even make your list: Saarela, probably because he was injured and wasn’t at the prospect camp earlier in the Summer – we just haven’t seen him recently; and Zykov, who probably impressed the most in the 2 games he was in Raleigh – he may be the most ready of all of them.
The best news is how competitive it will be at Camp and then during the season to earn playing time. BP will finally have the depth to hold people accountable for their play.
I have Saarela at 7. Having not seen him in person at prospect camp or NHL training camp, I really do not have much of a read on him yet even though he has been in the organization for more than a year. His short scoring burst in Charlotte was eye-opening.
I am not as high on Zykov. His debut was everything one could as for and more, and the Hurricanes a net-crashing goal scorer or two. I like his game in either zone and his Recchi-like build, but my big question is whether he has the wheels to skate the middle of the rink at NHL speed.
The Checkers should provide some answers. The first three lines could conceivably be:
Kuokkanen/Roy/Gauthier
Foegele/Saarela/Zykov
Lorentz/Wallmark/Smallman
The competition and chances to compare playing styles will be great for the organization.
While I can be persuaded by any one of the opinions expressed above about the various players, I differ in some respect on one player. IMO Gauthier is a bonafide top line prospect if he plays his game and we don’t try to convert him into something he is not (ala Boychuk). His game is that of an upscale Holmstrom type player with much better size and much better shot than Holmstrom ever had. Gauthier is an outstanding player in getting to the front of the net with his size to get very good scoring opportunities which he is capable of converting on with a deadly accurate hard shot.
I agree with your ranking with one exception. Saarela would be ranked #3 on my list with Wallmark at #6. Saarela has high end skill set and can play at high speed. His issue is going to be health. Wallmark has higher floor but guys with Saarela’s skill set are rare in our organization. So fun to do this. Amps up the excitement level for what’s coming
Fabdou…This is always the challenge with rating prospects. How do we balance ranking for upside versus probability of success.
I agree that in terms of raw upside, I would put Saarela either 3rd or possibly 4th behind Kuokkanen. But factoring in probability of success, he drops a bit because of lack of North American experience/track record and injury issues.
Also important to note is that (though I try) it is hard not to have a bias for players who I have seen more in person. Saarela has yet to play or practice in Raleigh, so he will be near the top of my list to watch in training camp to get a better read.
If you want to guess lineups, don’t forget the guys already established.
Di Giuseppe/Wallmark/Miller
Foegele/Kuokkanen/Poturalski
Saarela/Roy/Gauthier
Tolchinski/Brown/Zykov
Lorentz/Bishop/Smallman
Unless RF makes more moves, it’s up to Coach Vellucci to find chemistry within this group. However he decides to place them, it’s going to be a blast watching the cream rise to the top this season. NHL injury call ups will likely be earned, and both teams should be rolling 4 lines. Agree RF has done a terrific job acquiring them, even to the point of balancing right/left handers. I’m afraid Di Giuseppe might be claimed off waivers. Hey Don, how about free AHL Live to STH?
My issue with Gauthier is that he doesn’t embrace his role – it is as if he is naturally reluctant to use his size in front of the net, or he forgets that he should be playing his game on every shift. It was apparent in his last two seasons in juniors (it is why he dropped in the 2016 draft), prospect camp last summer (and this???), and last season’s training camp and preseason (he was sent back to juniors relatively early).
It has to come natural for him. For some reason it doesn’t yet. And if it doesn’t you don’t know what to expect from him any shift he is on ice.
If he does play his game naturally the sky is the limit.
How do you make that happen for a player? That is Vellucci’s challenge.