Friday’s Daily Cup of Joe looked fairly narrowly at the Hurricanes’ salary cap situation specifically for the 2017-18 season. In the discussion that followed it was pointed out that the 2017-18 situation could not be looked at in isolation because of the number of contract renewals (with certain raises) scheduled for the next few years – definitely a great point.
Consider the following salaries for the 2017-18 season — Jaccob Slavin at $792,500, Brett Pesce at $892,500, Sebastian Aho at $925,000 and Noah Hanifin also at $925,000. That makes four players all of who could play in the top half of the lineup in 2017-18 for a grand total of $3.6 million. But that incredible bargain is scheduled to expire. The defensive trio is up for new contracts next summer and Aho the following summer. All are certain to earn significant raises that must be factored into Ron Francis’ math as he builds the Hurricanes roster for the 2017-18 season and considers adding players whose contracts extend beyond it.
Today’s Daily Cup of Joe builds on Friday’s article and takes a longer look at the Hurricanes likely salary situation out 2-4 years.
Goalie
At the goalie position, Scott Darling is locked in for four years but with interesting contract terms (per CapFriendly but listed as unconfirmed). CapFriendly shows Darling earning $4.75 million for the first two years of his contract, $4.1 million in year three and only $3 million in year 4. Unless bought out, Cam Ward and Eddie Lack’s contracts will both come of the books at the end of the 2017-18 season.
When one looks out past 2017-18, the total cost of this position actually has the potential to decrease especially if Scott Darling has a strong first season in Raleigh. For the sake of math, let’s assume that Francis either trades or buys out Eddie Lack. (The math is roughly the same if you want to assume Cam Ward instead.) In the more expensive case of a buy out, the Hurricanes will spend $8.85 million at the goalie position for 2017-18 ($4.75 million for Darling, $3.1 million for Ward and $1 million for Eddie Lack’s buy out). If Darling seizes the starting role and plays well, it makes it possible (with some risk) for Francis to sign more of a #2 at a lesser price for 2018-19 and beyond. A backup priced at $1.5 million plus Darling at $4.75 million in 2018-19 plus another year of Lack’s buy out of $1 million saves $1.6 million. That total jumps to $3.25 in 2019-20 and $4.35 million in 2020-21 as Darling’s actual salary decreases.
Net change going forward: Could actually save $1.6 – $4.0 million growing over time depending on what Francis does with the second goalie slot starting in 2018-19.
Defense
As noted above, the Hurricanes have inevitable price increases coming soon at this position. All of Slavin, Pesce and Hanifin will need to be re-signed for the 2018-19 season. Faulk is locked in for two more years, but his contract actually escalates from $5.5 million in 2017-18 to $6 million in the final two years of his deal.
Right now, I would peg both Slavin and Pesce at $4 million annually for their next deal based on their play in top 4 (actually top 2) roles in 2016-17. Unless one had a significant setback in 2017-18, I do not see much downside to these prices, and if one or both broke offensively, the $4 million could escalate significantly. For now, let’s assume either that Francis signs them this summer, not risking a break out offensively or that their 2017-18 seasons are similar to 2016-17 with modest scoring totals. I will stretch a little and count the duo at $4.25 million each.
Noah Hanifin is a different situation. While he did play pretty well in a top 4 role for a run of 25ish games at the end of the 2016-17 season, I would not say that he is established in that role. If he has a decent 2017-18 season, maybe logs some time in the top 4 but is still developing and a notch or two below Slavin and Pesce next summer, then I think he lines up more for a bridge deal. This might sound strange but if it does not get in the way of making the playoffs, the Hurricanes financials might benefit from only step-wise improvement from Hanifin before his second contract. If Hanifin breaks out in 2017-18, he could instantly join Slavin and Pesce in the $4 million range and even go north of $5 million if his outbreak includes a bunch of scoring. But for this math exercise, I will assume step-wise progress from Hanifin and 2-3-year bridge deal in the range of Lindholm’s second deal and also what Teravainen will get this summer. Let’s call that an even $2.5 million per year.
While I think it is possible that Francis might spend a bit more on a veteran #4/#5 this summer, I also expect such an addition to be short-term. When I look out 2-3 years, I view Slavin, Pesce, Faulk and Hanifin as being the biggest expenses and the final three slots being filled by either inexpensive veterans or rising youth (read McKeown, Fleury, Bean) still on cheap entry-level deals. Total cost for the final three slots would then be a total of only about $3 million.
Net change going forward: Compared to the 2016-17 opening day lineup that included Ron Hainsey at a middle-ish price, the escalating contracts add up to an increase of about $8 million, but that could increase by another $1-2 million if the Hurricanes decide to or need to pay a #5 defenseman at a higher rate either because someone like Haydn Fleury rises up and earns it or because the team does not have enough young, competent depth and needs to add a middle-priced veteran.
Forwards
The forward position has a bunch more moving parts, but for the sake of keeping the math as simple as possible and not getting bogged down in the smaller things whose net effect is fairly small, let’s make a few assumptions. First is that the Hurricanes will stock the bottom 3-4 roster spots with $1 million-ish or less players which is reasonable for those slots. Veteran depth forwards can be had for this price, or alternatively slots can be filled by young players on entry-level contracts. Second is that the Hurricanes do make one big (and expensive) addition this summer.
The forward position has a mix of players locked in with a few others scheduled for bigger salaries in the future. Jordan Staal is set to make $6 million annually through 2022-23, and Jeff Skinner is locked in for two more years at $6 million per year. Obviously Skinner’s next deal could impact things but especially since his salary is fairly high already, let’s just use that for rough math.
Then there are a few younger players whose next contract is a bit like Hanifin’s in that there is a wide range of potential salaries depending on their play over the next few years. Lindholm is scheduled to make $2.9 million in 2017-18 in the last year before his contract expires. I expect Teravainen’s next contract (factored in the math for 2017-18 on Friday) will be in a similar range but probably a tiny bit lower. Lee Stempniak, if not lost to the expansion draft, makes $2.5 million for 2017-18, and then his contract expires.
To provide an idea of one path financially, let’s assume that Lindholm has a good but not spectacular 2017-18 season and earns a raise that puts him in the Slavin/Pesce/Rask range at $4 million annually. Let’s assume that Teravainen’s next deal is a 2-3-year bridge deal, so we can put him in the Hanifin price range at $2.5 million yearly. And let’s assume that a few of the Hurricanes’ promising forward prospects mature as hoped and that one of them still on an entry-level deal can take Stempniak’s slot to save some budget.
Let’s also assume that Francis finds a deal he likes and executes on his desire to add a scoring top 6 forward, ideally a center, to the mix this summer. That adds another $6 million instantly though there are some options that could see this addition on a 2-year commitment with the possibility that the slot is then filled by a rising prospect in two years which would be at a much lower price. But for now, let’s assume the maximum that Francis does add a top 6 player this summer and it is at a maximum type price of $6 million and that this player becomes part of the core long-term.
That leaves Sebastian Aho. His 2016-17 season with 49 points actually slots roughly into the Slavin/Pesce/Rask/Lindholm (if added) tier at $4 million annually, but I am in the large camp of people that thinks he is destined for much more in the two years remaining on his entry-level contract. Let’s assume he breaks out offensively over the next two seasons and climbs into the Skinner/Staal range for his second contract at $6 million per year.
Finally, as noted above, without getting bogged down on who exactly it is, let’s assume that the #9-#13 forward slots can be filled at an average of $1 million per slot (slightly higher-end depth veterans might cost a bit more but a couple entry-level players at $700,000-800,000 would average things out) with either inexpensive depth veterans or prospects on entry-level deals.
Net change going forward: When you add up all of the increases noted above and then offset them against some savings of players coming off more expensive contracts (Bickell at $4.5 million and McClement at $1.2 million), the total increase is about $7.5 million compared to the opening day roster for the 2016-17 season.
Miscellaneous
The Hurricanes also save $1 million after the the 2017-18 season when James Wisniewski’s buyout ends. Alexander Semin’s buyout that costs $2.3 million annually runs through 2o20-21 will eventually free up another chunk of money but unfortunately not in the 2-4 year time horizon of this exercise.
Adding it all up
If you take my assumptions and add it all up, the Hurricanes are looking at a salary increase of about $12.5 million compared to the start of the 2016-17 season. That yields total salary expenditures of about $67 million. The salary cap for 2016-17 was an even $73 million. Estimates are for a flat or tiny increase for 2017-18, and it is reasonable to expect similar for the next few years. If that proves close to accurate, the Hurricanes at $67 million would be basically at the mipoint of an estimated $56 million salary cap floor and a $76 million salary cap ceiling.
Though things could go different directions with individual players, I think different situations could actually pull different directions to make a $65-70 million salary reasonable. For example, if a few of players like Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin, Lindholm, Teravainen and Aho rise up and become $6 million players, the salary increases might be partially offset by veterans like Stempniak, the big top 6 forward addition or even someone like Skinner or Faulk not being re-signed if there is enough depth below to fill holes. And if the Hurricanes get to a point where they have 4-5 elite forward and 4 elite defenseman, the possibility of filling more of the other roster slots with inexpensive but talented rookies increases. That is exactly what Pittsburgh is doing right now with players like Sheary, Rust and Guentzel. If on the other hand, most of the younger Hurricanes players do not rise up, their next contracts could be less but Francis might also need to spend more adding veteran help from outside of the organization. The push and pull combined could make the next step up to $65-70 million a range that can build a competitive team and also a range that can be maintained even as individual player circumstances change.
What say you Caniacs?
Who can find a math error?
If things go reasonably well with players improving and Francis continuing to stock future help in the form of a deep prospect pool, do you think $65-70 million is enough to build a consistently competitive team despite leaving about $8 million on the table compared to the cap ceiling teams?
Which player(s) from the group of Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin, Lindholm, Aho and Teravainen do you see having the greatest potential to break my $4 million / $6 million math by becoming stars who command and get much more?
Go Canes!
Great post. The impact of salary decisions must be considered for a 3-4 year time frame. Chicago is the prime example.
I think you are accurate with Aho around $6 million. At the World Championships he again displayed that he may be the Cane that is closest to being “elite.” Skinner is likely to demand $7.5 million by 2019. Of course any of the D could demand $6 with a big offensive year as that seems to be the floor for top notch D-men. So signing Pesce and Slavin to extensions around $4M this summer makes perfect sense.
Again, thanks for taking the time to do the analysis on this.
One big piece that is missing from thsee calculations is the likely addition to the roster of 4-6 of our prospects -in a year or three-(mostly forwards)… If I’m right… then any higher paid / lower performing guys could be traded for other current needs… like most successful teams have been doing FOREVER!
In other words…there are built-in options, both at forward and D.
Goalie is the one vulnerable position I see (depending on whether any goalies in the system develop, or they draft someone soon)!
Of course there is the trade or free agent options as well. I’m not assuming Darling will be a problem, but he could get hurt, and the backup is really an unknown quality (at best), and if it’s WARD…
HELP US HOCKEY GODS, yikes…!!
Matt – again well done. Your analysis pretty much matches my back-of-the-envelope calculations from the other day which makes me glad to know that I didn’t miss anything significant in my review.
I don’t think you need to pay up to the salary cap to be a competitive team – I would have to do a review but I think that the teams that are pushing the salary have multiple elite player contract as well as relatively high-priced contracts for underperforming veterans. Neither are issues with the Canes – although in two years expect Skinner to want that, whether from the Canes or another team. And Aho eventually will as well, and I do expect his first extension will be Skinneresque. But of the list of players you present, I think Aho is the only one.
So all of that is well and good.
But the issue isn’t the salary level relative to the cap. The question I asked a few days ago is whether the Canes would pay $67-70M in salary, regardless of the cap? When was the last time the Canes salary either brushed the cap or was over $65M? I really don’t know the answer and I would be curious. I am very skeptical that the Canes will pay up – or plan to pay up – to that level in two seasons. And the difference between that level and what I think the Canes will pay (~$62-63M – comparable to the 2015-16 season) is about that top-6 center so many people are clamoring for. If you are not assured of the higher salary level, you cannot get a top-6 at $6M. You would be trying to win now at the expense of the future – counter to what Francis has been saying he will do. If you do take on a top-6 at $6M without the assurance of the higher pay level, then you have to be planning to jettison one of the young guns projected to be $3-6M.
At least that is the way I have been looking at it. And this exercise in real-number salary math has been very helpful in formulating that.
tj. Excellent points–all valid and logical based on Carolina’s history and financial concerns. Your points got me to thinking, which my wife reminds me never ends well.
1) Carolina probably doesn’t have $6M for a scorer, though one is needed;
2) Carolina does have plenty of cap space while other teams don’t;
3) Are there any players that another team needs to move for cap space who aren’t terribly expensive but are capable of scoring 20 goals or so.
All this led me back to a conversation I believe you, Matt and some others had last week. Hossa has a cap hit of $5M plus for the next four years in Chicago, but is only owed about $1M salary each year. GMRF is known to have a special relationship with Bowman. But even with the cap constraints, Chicago isn’t going to just let Hossa walk–if he agrees to be moved. However, with Darling in Raleigh, the Hawks need a backup goalie. The Canes could offer Lack (who could be goalie he was in March on another team) while retaining $1.75 of his salary next year. Basically Chicago gets to audition Lack for a bargain price. Throw in a pick and the deal looks like Bowman got a reasonable deal plus much needed cap space.
Hossa is still at least a 20-goal scorer. Basically he serves as a bridge (much like Stempniak, which is why I think Stempniak is protected) to Gauthier/Roy/Kuokkanen/Zykkov/Saarela.
Carolina can even reduce Hossa’s time on the ice by giving him limited penalty killing responsibilities. This is possible if the Canes are able to get a center due to expansion issues (I will again mention Jarnkrok or Latestu, the former’s contract makes him a medium-range answer) that is a capable scorer and PK specialist. This also helps since McClement isn’t likely to be re-signed.
All this can be done for the same cost as one scorer. Call it the Hossa option.
I don’t like to speculate on trades, but that is exactly the type of creative deal that works. We can afford the cap hit and the actual salary and we may well have assets the Chicago can use. Plus Hossa can make a definitive contribution in ways the Canes need.
We can’t afford the magic bullet that so many seem to want. But there are deals to be made and this is a great example of one.
Now of course if PK decides to loosen the pursestrings all sorts of possibilities are out there. But I don’t see that happening – I see things like this happening, though.
Well considered..
Hossa is one of a handful of players with salary cap vs. real salary mismatches that could make them interesting additions.
There are two potential issues with Hossa:
1-After defying age for 5-6 years, whispers are that he might finally be hitting the wall. At $1 million annually the risk is small and worth it.
2-The bigger issue might actually be the CBA legalese. If he retires (that was actually one of the outs when Chicago signed him until age 42), there would be a big salary cap recapture penalty back to Chicago of $4.3M cap hit annually for the remaining years when he retired. They have enough of a mess in that regard already, so they want to avoid that. The upshot is that the Hawks would want to talk to Hossa to see if he would actually like to go to the Hurricanes and not retire. If not, they basically take the majority of his cap hit and would be better off just keeping him and paying the last $1M to keep a still decent player.
Matt, I actually have us at about $59.4 million for this upcoming season. I’ve got us adding about $15.6 million (in addition to Darling’s salary). I’ve got TT getting $3 million (I think he gets a higher deal than you do), a Top 6 forward $5.5 – $6 million, a 3C for about $3.25 million, a #5 RHD for $2.25 million, and a 4th line wing for about $1.5 million. I’ve got Stempniak and Lack’s salaries going away. Currently I also still have Murphy on the payroll, but that likely changes. My figures are all cap hit figures.
The following year I’ve got us closer to about $65.5 million in salary cap expenditure, but I also think the cap starts to rise, maybe by as much as $2 million. In my calculations, the natural evolution of the salaries would take us to about $68.7 in 2019-20. And the year of reckoning would happen the following year, where I see us spending about $72.5 million. I don’t see any way around that unless one or more of the free agents get’s replaced with a homegrown guy. Most of our difference, I believe comes from a 3rd line that I spend about $7 million on.
Notopie… I don’t disagree with the numbers, but virtually every year someone moves, usually more than one, for various reasons, so other than knowing the trajectory the numbers don’t tell us much or help several years ahead. Like you I expect the Cap to rise, can’t get rid of inflation for long. If we are lucky, many guys will play well and we will approach the Cap, and have to decide between all our good players who to move for high draft picks! I’d love to have that problem, eh?
Any business people out there? You know you have to spend money to make money! If Karmanos is behind the lack-of-spending, then it’s apparent he is using the losses for a tax write-off! You can be right…they won’t spend too much, and take the chance of making money.
PG – You are right, guys move every year. The one anomaly we have in our favor is our youth and contract control. So for about as long as we want these young guys we’ll be able to have them. Guys like Skinner and Faulk are still 2 and 3 years away respectively from new deals. Next season we have 7 RFAs with 4 of them (Lindholm, Nordstrom, Dahlbeck, and Murphy) being arbitration eligible. I expect us to sign 5 of the seven with little difficulty (not that they’ll be inexpensive). I might keep Dahlbeck around on a reasonable deal as a #7, but losing him is immaterial. I’d think about keeping Murphy around on a 2-way deal, but I”m hoping we trade him this Summer.
Point is we will be gradually spending more money regardless. It was clear from the recent statements from Francis and Peters, there’s a mandate to ratchet things up a notch. That is also the natural progression of things as we enter year 4 of the rebuild. So while I’m still skeptical that a deal for a Matt Duchene is in the offing, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a splash made for a bit more cost controlled, but higher end wing. I’m pretty certain the fate of the two slots on the 3rd line are going to be dependent on who Vegas snags from us in expansion.