In case you missed it, I went rogue last night and made a case for the Carolina Hurricanes jumping into and winning the potential Erik Karlsson bidding war. At first glance, some might think this is some combination of overzealous dreaming or trade deadline click bait. But while acknowledging that the odds are long simply because of the number of teams that would be involved if Karlsson is in fact available, I encourage everyone give the idea fair consideration and see if just maybe it actually makes some sense.
Returning to less spectacular NHL trade deadline coverage, thus far we have:
Part 2: Considering the categories looked at the types of trades possible at the deadline.
Part 3: Defining the need which specifies what the Hurricanes need to improve.
Today, Part 4 of the series looks at the 2018 NHL trade deadline from the viewpoint of Ron Francis.
The plan and the history
As part of setting the stage in part 1, I wrote in some detail about Francis’ history. The short version is that from the beginning Francis has committed to (and followed through on) diligently building a prospect pool and organization that could not just return to the playoffs but become a regular entrant. And thus far, Francis has steadfastly clung to draft picks and followed through on the original plan.
Though I do think that Francis is at a transition point and will shift his emphasis somewhat more toward doing what it takes to win now, I do not see him shifting so much that he becomes a high bidder who spends a bunch of futures for short-term fixes.
Based on balancing Francis’ original plan and the need to shift at least some toward winning now, here is my best guess for where Francis is at right now.
Rentals
Unless prices plummet such that really good players become available for mid-round draft picks (which seems highly unlikely), most surprising would be if Francis suddenly became a high bidder on any of the marquee rentals. So over the next few days, anytime I see mention of the Hurricanes linked to any of Rick Nash, Evander Kane or other players with big price tags and contracts that expire at the end of the 2017-18, I will be very skeptical and write these off as likely just being random ‘throw interesting stuff at the wall and see what sticks’ type trade deadline fodder.
Here is why…First, it is simply the long-term strategy as noted above. But also significant is the fact that one forward might or might not make a difference for the 2017-18 season. The team is in a multi-team dog fight that could go any direction. Further, issues with goaltending and inconsistency have the potential of sabotaging even the productive addition of a higher-end forward.
Players with term as a more likely option
In many ways, the small collection of players thought to be available who have term past 2017-18 on their contract is more interesting. Higher-end scoring wings Max Pacioretty, Mike Hoffman, Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist could add scoring from the wing and fit into a longer-term plan that sees either Sebastian Aho or Martin Necas centering a top scoring line. Young players with both upside and risk like Alex Galchenyuk and Max Domi could add another young offensive talent to the mix. Finally, a player like Derek Brassard while not a true first line center could add a more offensive veteran center to the mix to buy time and be an upgrade over Derek Ryan.
Though these players with term could cost as much or more than many rentals, I think they actually make more sense for the Hurricanes providing two or more runs at breaking the playoff drought and buying time until the next wave of young Canes forwards are ready.
It is no secret at this point, that I like the idea of adding Max Pacioretty, but depending on trade cost, I think a decent case could also be made for Mike Hoffman or Derek Brassard. Max Domi and Alex Galchenyuk are more complicated situations but not out of the question either.
What about a lesser deal at a much smaller cost?
I touched on this in one of the earlier segments. While Francis could go the route of just shopping for value and adding the best rental he can get for a mid-round draft pick, I am skeptical that there is much, if any, upgrade to be gained from it. The Hurricanes are a deeper team at forward than they were a couple years ago, so I do not see where a depth forward will be significantly better than whoever is in the lineup right now. On defense, the Hurricanes are six deep. And while I do think there is room for improvement in goal, the situation is complicated. So while I advocate considering late morning on Monday what could be had for a fourth or fifth round draft pick, I am not sure such a deal will make sense.
Could the Hurricanes move a core player?
As noted in my article about pursuing Erik Karlsson, I do think the team needs some kind of jolt to both find and maintain the higher gear that pushes up into a playoff spot and stays there. That could possibly be accomplished by adding a difference-maker in return for futures, but the potential is also there for Francis to use the trade deadline to remake the core of the team with a player for player hockey trade of significance.
The exciting but admittedly unlikely Erik Karlsson scenario is one such possibility, but at a more basic level, Francis has some decisions to make about the long-term future of the team.
An important starting point is to note that Francis has said or done nothing to suggest that a core player will be moved or that he is even exploring this possibility. And the most likely scenario is that the core stays intact at least give the 2017-18 a go with any big changes pushing to the offseason. But that said, the Hurricanes have a couple high-end players who are tracking toward their net contract and the decision that comes with it.
Justin Faulk: Faulk has two more years remaining on this current contract after the 2017-18 season. As such, there is no urgency to make a decision on his long-term role with the team. But at the same time, Faulk is an interesting case. He started the 2016-17 season as the veteran leader of a young blue line. He has since been surpassed by Jaccob Slavin and Brett Pesce on the depth chart and has had an up and down time of it defensively as a top 4 defenseman over the past two years. With the Hurricanes’ increasing young depth on the blue line, Francis could have the luxury of parting ways with Faulk to boost the offense.
Jeff Skinner: Skinner’s name is on TSN’s Trade Bait Board. Who knows for certain what, if anything, should be made of that, but if he is not already, Francis should be considering what Skinner’s long-term role with the team is. He is signed through the 2018-19 season and will require an increase in salary to be re-signed. With players like Aho, Teravainen, Slavin, Pesce and Hanifin also signing new contracts at higher prices, Francis would be wise to figure out where Skinner fits into the picture and act accordingly
Scott Darling: Unless something changes dramatically in the last quarter of the season, Darling is going to enter the offseason as a player who will be risky to slot even as a backup for the 2018-19. While it is definitely possible that Darling rebounds, calling that anything more than a dice roll seems unfounded based on Darling’s 2017-18 season. Possibly more than any other situation, that is going to put massing pressure on Francis this summer. Does Francis bite the bullet, buy Darling out (would be Semin-esque with $1.33 million owed for each of six years)? Could Francis package Darling up in a bigger deal to start fresh with his slot? Should Francis ride it out for at least a second year hoping for a rebound after a reset ? And if he does bring Darling back, would it then make sense to not re-sign Ward so that his slot could be used for a higher-end goalie capable of taking the starting role?
Here is an interest chain reaction to think about…If Francis does eventually decide to buy out Scott Darling (after exploring trade possibilities first), then I think one could make a reasonable argument that Francis should know that right now and has missed on a couple opportunities to move forward just a little early by adding another goalie for the stretch run. This week, the Flyers added Petr Mrazek from Detroit, and Arizona added Darcy Kuemper from Los Angeles both for fairly modest costs. If (and only if) Francis decides to punt on Darling this summer, then perhaps he should have been in on goalie help early to improve for the 2017-18 season and see what another goalie looks like in the Canes lineup.
Again, the most likely outcome in terms of core player deals is that nothing happens. But if I had to name players from the top half of the roster who Francis might consider moving as part of a shake up, I think Faulk and Skinner rise to the top of the list because of the cost of their current contracts and also next contracts that would be signed for unrestricted free agent years. I am on record as thinking that Darling is immovable right now, but if Francis decided early that he was going to drop Darling one way or another this summer, trading for another goalie right now could be the first clue.
Could the Hurricanes be sellers again?
The Hurricanes are guaranteed to be in the playoff chase come deadline day which precludes another round of fire sales. But with Lee Stempniak and Derek Ryan both scheduled to become free agents this summer, they could have value as depth forwards for Stanley Cup contenders looking for depth. If the Hurricanes add a higher-end forward, that could make one of Stempniak and/or Ryan expendable, but best bet is that the Hurricanes are not sellers this year.
Netting it out
— I will be very surprised to see the Hurricanes win a bidding ward for a higher-end rental.
–I actually think an equally big trade for a player with contract terms makes more sense and is therefore more likely.
–While unlikely, I do not think that it is out of the question that Francis using the trade deadline to make a bigger player for player trade that shakes up the core and maybe at the same time jump starts the team.
Go Canes!
Unless a trade falls in RFs hands, We would all be shocked if he makes a significant trade. Rentals are not an option for our team. Unless they are cheap.
Does anyone see us as a legit Cup contender? (no)
Goaltending alone voids that.
I would prefer to save our assets an cap room to make a run at Tavares.
Or a more long term player to help team for a couple of years.
What upsets me more is we have young players killing it in Charlotte but have not been called up. Foegele? Miller? Zykov?
I would trade Ryan in a heartbeat! Just so Peters will stop using him on the PP. Stempniak is another player who really has no value on our team so trade him. Let a couple of kids come play with the Canes. Maybe boost our compete level.
A shake-up of the current core is coming, whether it’s now, this summer or into next year. It’s unlikely we re-sign all of our core players in the next two years, as Matt alluded to it will be payers like Aho, Necas and the young defense we build around and give pay raises to over the next while.
So the team has to be looking to get value in return for our current core. That value may present itself better when players are still in their prime and have a couple years left on their deals. The time could very well be now and especially with younger guys to lockup long term.
Besides, I don’t see how we can continue to build around ALL of Skinner, Faulk and Staal when they have collectively led the team to zero playoffs. And when we do approach the line, we fall back below hard and quick. While not anyone’s fault entirely, GMRF is paying a lot of money to this leadership group for no true gain in the standings. He should find value and deal accordingly.
I agree with your analysis: it’s not GMRF’s style or part of the plan or the right time to win a bidding war for a Rental; obtaining a player with term makes the most sense but is difficult this (or any) time of year; if we play at the deadline, we’ll be nibblers. I do actually think we could be both buyers and sellers at the same time if you add in the Ryan/Stempniak situation.
It’s a little frustrating when you net it out and realize that the team we’re now skating is the team we’re going to skate next Tuesday. Still, magic happened last March so I’m going to stay optimistic – and the schedule actually looks reasonably favorable.
I do think that GMRF has been thinking about what to do with the Core; said differently, I think he’s trying to figure out who the Core really is. I’m not sure it’s all that clear. As for Skinner, he is in many ways in a similar place as Pacioretty – great goal-scoring winger, a year left on his (reasonable) contract, letter on his jersey, plenty of gas left in the tank – but he has a NMC and it would be extremely awkward to ask him for his list now and then not trade him. I think this conversation happens in June if it happens at all.
Golden – we do have players scoring goals in CLT and it is frustrating that they haven’t gotten a call up while CAR needs more scoring. I think a few things are at play here. First, right or wrong, BP only wants players he knows and trusts especially for the stretch run. Second, GMRF wants CLT to get playoff experience that players can bring with them to Raleigh. And third, the contracts of Ryan, Stempniak, PDG, and Nordstrom all expire after this season, and, since it wouldn’t surprise me if none of them are re-signed, there will be many open roster spots available next season; training camp is the best place to sort all that out.
I agree with dmiller about the call-ups. I think BP’s logic (and it makes sense) is that even outstanding AHLers can struggle with transition to the NHL. Right now the team doesn’t have any margin. So while PDG and Stempniak are not killing it, they are able to compete.
I also agree with dmiller that we might buy and sell. It makes sense to get some return for Ryan and Stempniak if they are not going to be re-signed.
As far as a trade target, there is a name Matt mentioned before the season that I haven’t seen lately: Zetterberg. Detroit is going to have to go full rebuild. So Zetterberg’s contract is a hindrance. The Canes have space. While it isn’t likely that Zetterberg will be productive in three years, this year he is still producing points and a plus player (I know plus/minus is a “garbage” stat) on a poor team. He would immediately improve the power play, and might be the center who gets Skinner producing. He would be a great mentor for Aho and Necas as they become our 1 and 2 Cs the next two years.
Detroit is in need of D prospects, so Fleury and a pick or another prospect might be enough. Just a thought.
As far as call-ups go; could they be minimizing that this year so that if/when Seattle gets an expansion draft in 2020 we won’t have to protect any of the current AHL guys who would be NHL regulars by then?
Yes if we call anyone back up it would Jooris and Kruger. We will be protecting all the prospects. I believe it will be harder to re-sign Wallmark and Zykov because we are trying to keep them from exposure, meaning it’ll cost us more and probably have to guarantee a 1 way deal.
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While building my roster for next year, I was shown to how tight our roster moves have to be to get Checkers here to play. Say we gain a roster forward (with Faulk going the other way) and sign a UFA, like JVR, to boost the offense. We would have 1 roster spot available for a prospect next year. That includes guys like Rask and Lindholm being 4th liners with McGinn.
We have to look at the futures of all of roster forward. I traded for Stone of Ottawa and signed JVR. This was my roster.
Skinner-Aho-Stone
Zykov-Staal-Turbo
JVR-Necas-Williams
McGinn-Wallmark-Foegele
Nordy
we’ve quickly run out of room for Rask and Lindy. Does Foegele battle Lindy for the last roster spot? That offense is about 7 million more expensive than our current O but, it looks a lot more impressive. That looks like 4 lines that could score. Take out one or both of Stone and JVR, the offense doesnt look as impressive with Lindy/Rask in there with McGinn & Nordy sliding up a spot.
That is only next season’s problems. It gets crazier after that. Skinner Turbo, and Aho need new contracts. We have to make a decision on Tubro, Skinner and Williams. Saarela, Roy, et al prospects will be pushing for spots.
go canes. I like that lineup. However, I am pretty sure Stone is close to untouchable. I do think Carolina makes a strong offer for JVR–hoping his brother encourages him to accept.
My guess is there is only one off-season signing. So the lineup could be:
TT/Aho/Lindholm
TVR/Staal/Williams
Skinner/Necas/Rask
Foegele/Wallmark/McGinn
Nordstrom
Rask may be shopped in the off-season, but while his scoring hasn’t been good this year, he is not going to be cashiered unless there is a good return. Again I understand the limitations of +/-, but Rask is the best among forwards. His face-off skills are good and he plays sound defense. He might not be worth $4M, but he is valuable as a 3C or winger who can take key face-offs.
The above lineup is solid if not overwhelming. The Canes can get enough goals if Skinner (and JVR in this possible lineup) gets around 30 and Aho gets around 30. Then the key will be the D scoring more. Both Pesce (he has 3 goals/5 points this month) and Slavin seem to have offensive potential, but that may be a stretch. The team really needs both Faulk and Hanifin to be 10g/45p producers. The lack of D scoring is why I agree with Matt that Karlsson is worth consideration.
Dont disagree with your assessment. I would expect Rask to be moved for only futures, if necessary. Maybe roster close futures like a solid defensive prospect. We lack those and we almost guarantee to lose one of current defenders in the expansion draft.
I hope to get 2 solid 1st to 2nd line forwards in the off season if we are willing to take a risk of 3-4 rookies on the offensive roster next year (or years). They could be very dynamic but they will be streaky. Skinner and Turbo will be streaky too. The more consistent offense the better.
Stone is close to untouchable but we have the pieces without hurting us to make it worth it.