Carolina Hurricanes forward lines at practice today
Michael Smith from the Carolina Hurricanes reported lines from practice as follows:
Skinner/Rask/Lindholm
Nordstrom/Staal/Stempniak
Aho/Teravainen/Nestrasil
Stalberg/McClement/Di Giuseppe
First, it is important to note that with 3 off days, this might not so much be a change as an opportunity to tinker. The team has run the same lines long enough that they are not going to miss out on developing chemistry from being separated for a day or 2 in practice. We could very well see the regular lines on Saturday night with this just being an opportunity for Bill Peters to consider a few things for later.
Hurricanes forward situation
Disclaimer aside, the dirty little secret hiding behind the massive goal scoring from the Skinner/Rask/Stempniak line and the power play is that the Hurricanes really are not clicking in terms of depth scoring. I wrote about the depth scoring issues and line combinations past the big line a few days ago. So perhaps today’s practice line tinkering is good timing for another look at the Hurricanes current situation at forward.
Skinner/Rask/Stempniak
Also noted in the post referenced above, Skinner is playing lights out right now. The line in total deserves some credit for that. But there has been an interesting transition. In the first 4-5 games, Lee Stempniak was playing the role of playmaker with the puck on his stick a bunch and creating scoring chances for the line. Somewhere along the way, Jeff Skinner found another gear and seemed to single-handedly begin to both create and finish most of the scoring the line. This is not at all a bad thing. Goals are goals, and he is scoring them in bunches.
But I think it raises 2 interesting questions:
1) Will Jeff Skinner be able to shift gears at the right times and meld his game with line mates? My opinion is that he is capable of 55-60 points on raw talent alone if he can find his usual sporadic bursts of scoring but that it will require chemistry with line mates such that he both receives and dishes out a good number of scoring plays that are line efforts. To be clear, I am not saying his 2016-17 season has not had any of that, but I think the most recent games are more the whirling dervish/individual effort version of Skinner.
2) If and as long as Jeff Skinner is going and capable of generating scoring for his line by himself could it be possible for Coach Bill Peters to have his cake (keep Skinner line clicking) and eat it too (use Lee Stempniak’s playmaking ability as a catalyst to get another line going).
That is what jumps out at me most when I look at the line juggling today. Lindholm has been anything but an offensive catalyst thus far in 2016-17, but just maybe Jeff Skinner does not need that right now. And maybe with so much attention focused on Skinner, Lindholm finds a lose puck and whacks it home or even picks up a couple random assists to get his 2016-17 offensively up and out of the starting gate.
Nordstrom/Staal/Stempniak
Jordan Staal’s game has been building gradually. I think the single most important element of Jordan Staal’s game is his ability to carry the puck from behind the defensive blue line, through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone with possession. He single-handedly decreases the volume of the defense that must be played and increases the time in the offensive zone. But gone is the magic from last winter with Andrej Nestrasil and Joakim Nordstrom. As long as there is a need to tinker with the line anyway, why not see if you can add more scoring?
We saw very little of Stempniak with Staal in preseason, but at a conceptual level it could work. As noted above, Jordan Staal generally plays with the puck on his stick in terms of transitioning from 1 end of the ice to the other, but inside the offensive zone, he is a player who can play with or without the puck. And playmaking is not his forte, so just maybe Stempniak can help convert the offensive zone time that Staal creates into more goals. It is worth a try.
Aho/Teravainen/Nestrasil
The Aho/Lindholm/Teravainen line that showed some sparks in preseason has been mostly invisible at 5-on-5 in the regular season. My visual assessment is that the trio of skilled forwards just do not engage the puck enough. The line’s skill is not activated until 1 of them has the puck on his stick and that just has not been happening frequently enough. And at a more simple level, it just was not working. A line that was built to score was doing almost none of that. There is no guarantee that it will work, but I like the idea of trying Teravainen at center, and I also like the idea of adding more of a power forward element to the line who might help cough up a few pucks at which point the skill gets activated (but not before).
Stalberg/McClement/Di Giuseppe
I still would prefer to go a different direction with this line, but to be honest it has been okay and by no means the biggest of the Hurricanes problems. Bryan Bickell has not been lights out at even strength, but he has a power play goal and solid screens on 2 other power play goals to his credit. That is a nice contribution in a small but significant role. Viktor Stalberg has been flying the past couple games and has also scored. So if Peters wants to build a fourth line around Jay McClement with whatever is left after building the lines, it works.
But with Lindholm looking comfortable at the center position, playing okay defensively but doing virtually nothing in terms of offensive production, I am right where I was a few weeks back possibly in a late preseason post. Why not have Teravainen center the third line and Lindholm the fourth? With Lindholm not clicking with Aho and Teravainen but playing a pretty sound defensive game, I think the move has the potential to make the Hurricanes deeper scoring-wise. Even the sputtering version of Lindholm has more offensive upside than McClement. And the Hurricanes just might have enough options to stock a fourth line with players who might score some.
It will be interesting to see if these new lines hold at Friday’s practice and more significantly for the game on Saturday or if they are just the use of a learning opportunity with a rare 3 days off.
3 questions for the coffee shop
1) Would you even consider touching Skinner/Rask/Stempniak before the line or at least Jeff Skinner cools off?
2) Am I nuts to suggest that Elias Lindholm move to the C4 slot to take a shot at more depth and balance?
3) IF things get reshuffled a bit trying to find depth scoring, what would your 4 lines be?
GO!
Go Canes!
I don’t mind seeing if Lindholm can get started by putting him with Skins/Rask. I would give a shot at these lines.
Skinnner/Rask/Lindholm
Aho/Staal/Stempniak
Stalberg/Teravainen/Di Giuseppe
Nordstrom/McClement/Bickell
I like your Aho/Staal/Stephpniak line idea.
Staal’s general inability to score at a true #2 center’s pace is one of the structural issues Peters has to work around. He’s a very good defensive player, can push play and has those types of skills but he is not what is considered a true second line center and that puts even more pressure on a third line to be more of a scoring line than is typical. Staal has had exactly one two month period of offense in his career, other than that he is what he is which is a good, albeit overpaid, player. Unless you can find a second line center/playmaker that can drive some scoring for his wingers they’ll be battling this fundamental issue for awhile. The hope was that Lindholm was going to be that guy and I’m not ready to completely give up on him yet, and putting him on the top line may be a good move to see if something can click and get him going and get his confidence up but you’re now moving him back to wing and have no good choices for that #2 center spot. Let’s face it the Canes are still light on talent and have some holes they need to fill and have to play almost perfect games to compete with the teams with equal or better talent. They’re better than last season and I don’t think their record reflects how good they’ve played (at times) but I think their biggest hole in the lineup is where Staal currently resides.
Agree with your comments on Jordan Staal. He is a good player and having him in a second line center slot is workable on a good team. But it does make it even more important to get at least average if not better depth scoring from the 3rd line and makes it crucial that the first line be a true scoring line…
…unless Francis/Peters can build a scoring line around Staal. Your comment on being light on talent with holes to fill (at forward) is also dead on. Looking backward, there just is not enough high-end offense to go around. Going forward maybe that changes with a free agent addition or Aho rising up.
If the line shuffling carries into game action, I will be curious to see Stempniak can boost Staal’s line offensively.
Agree 100% on Jordan Staal as well. Perfect #3 center. The Canes have a perfect #2 center as well…Victor Rask. What we are currently missing, as you say, is top end offensive talent, including a #1C to play with Skinner and eventually Aho.
Wouldn’t Monahan look good in this #1C role….d’oh. While its the right question to ask, it’s unfortunate that we are contemplating whether or not our #5 overall pick in a very good draft should be our 4th line center.
To be clear, I am not writing Lindholm off as a fourth-line center for his career. I just think given current personnel, situation and play so far in 2016-17, it might be worth a look. It tries something different on 3rd line which is is not producing so far, and could boost depth scoring from fourth line.
If it was me…I’d be sending Aho and others to Char. And bringing up Ryan etc. TO GET SOME RESULTS, also I’d waive Ward and bring up Leighton, assuming no REAL KEEPERS are available!!!
I really like what Staal does for this team. His ability get the puck in the D zone, move it through the neutral zone and, with Nordstrom, grind it out in the offensive zone effectively neutralizes the other team’s second line. I would rather Jordan grind out the other team’s second line than their third. Offense will show up, as it did last year – which is why I think it is helpful having an offensive player on the other wing. I liked Aho there – and the line generated some excellent chances in that configuration.
But it does beg the need for additional scoring on the third line – and getting TT and Lindy going on whatever line. The two of them are better than 4 points in 9 games combined.
Aho had his excellent success in Finland and the WJs as a center – creating opportunities for his wings and getting his own goals off those chances. Although small for a center, I think that is where he will prove to be most effective (and very effective at that). He has shown off his playmaking as a forward, but I don’t really like “bringing him up” as a wing.