We have officially hit the busy time of the NHL off-season. On Wednesday night, at least the initial version of the Las Vegas Golden Knights will be revealed. That is basically the starting gun for what will then be frenetic run through the busiest time of the off-season. The trade market will reopen for the other 30 teams on Thursday morning only about 36 hours before the start of the NHL draft. Then the gap between the draft weekend is only week until free agency opens on July 1. The week in between features the chance for teams to begin talking to free agents, the deadline for most buyouts and also the deadline to at least make qualifying offers to restricted free agents.
For quick and simple chronological clickable links, please check out our “2017-18 Carolina Hurricanes Roster Building Central” for roster moves and “Carolina Hurricanes 2017 NHL Draft Central” for coverage specifically for the draft.
Prior to the expansion draft roster freeze, I wrote a couple articles focused almost solely on adding a top 6 forward to the Hurricanes’ roster. First I created a top 10 targets list. I followed that with an assessment of the many players (many good) who did not fit my requirements. And I finished with a good-better-best with three deals that could work. The addition of a difference-maker at forward is by far and away the biggest priority remaining with the starting goalie need already addressed, but it is not the only need.
At the very beginning of the series on May 31, I included adding a defenseman and possibly a depth forward or two as a second tier of priorities.
MY assessment (not necessarily Ron Francis’) of the blue line
To be clear, it is not clear exactly what Fort Knox Francis has in mind for the blue line. He did talk specifically about the issues with the the third pairing in 2016-17 and also expressed general happiness with the development of the young players, but it is not clear exactly how he slots the current players and what he sees as needs.
So this is MY assessment which might not match Francis’ assessment. I am of the opinion that the Hurricanes ideally need to add a veteran defenseman who is a solid #4/#5 option on a short-term contract (one year might actually be preferred) and ideally flexible in terms of being able to play on his off side. The idea is that such a player provides top 4 depth such that he could play in the top 4 if Hanifin does not build on his strong finish in that role or the new addition could otherwise provide a steadying presence (think John-Michael Liles mentoring Brett Pesce) on a third pairing very possibly next to Haydn Fleury.
So in my roster building, I slot Jaccob Slavin, Brett Pesce and Justin Faulk in the top 4 with a preference for leaving Slavin and Pesce together. “If it ain’t broke; don’t fix it.”
Noah Hanifin gets every opportunity to win the fourth top 4 slot, but if he hits a bump in the road, there is a veteran plan B waiting in the wings. “We are not rebuilding in 2017-18. We are pushing to create the best lineup possible to push for the playoffs.”
Haydn Fleury gets every opportunity to win an NHL slot starting in the third pairing. (The same is true for Roland McKeown, but per my discussions with Jordan Futrell who covers the Checkers for CandC, Fleury seems to be the front-runner exiting the 2016-17 season. If Hanfin slips, it complicates things because it would force one of two young defensemen in Hanifin and Fleury to play on his off side. It might just be that if Hanifin slips to #5 that Fleury needs to start the season in Charlotte and wait for an opportunity.
That leaves Ryan Murphy and Klas Dahlbeck sitting in the #7 and #8 slots if Fleury does in fact crack the NHL lineup. I am on record as thinking that the best thing for both parties is for the Hurricanes to trade Murphy, give him a fresh start and collect modest futures in return. There is also a chance that Dahlbeck is taken by Las Vegas though most predict Lee Stempniak instead.
I think in an ideal world, there is sort of a three-move domino effect. A higher-end #4/#5 defenseman is added. Either Dahlbeck or Murphy is moved to get back to seven contracts counting Fleury. Another AHL/NHL defenseman is signed to a two-way contract to add a #8 defenseman who ideally slots in Charlotte.
What Francis does not appear to be shopping for
Even if you take my assessment at face value and go with a working assumption (not necessarily accurate) that Hurricanes general manager Ron Francis thinks somewhat similarly, identifying targets is still tricky.
If Francis wanted to shop roughly in the $4 million range, take on at least a few years of contract at that price and give up fairly significant trade assets, the best time to shop would have been before the expansion draft roster freeze when multiple teams had one too many good defensemen to protect. I am not privy to what trade discussions were had, but I would interpret the Hurricanes lack of action during that favorable window to add a defenseman to mean that Francis was not willing to shop in that price/quality tier.
And I think that largely makes sense. First, it would be risky to spend aggressively to add a defenseman before adding a difference-making forward which is a much bigger priority. Further, with Hanifin, Fleury and maybe even McKeown either ready or potentially near-ready to step into top 4 roles, Francis is looking for short-term help not a 2-4-year investment in a core player. Finally, he needs to keep as much salary budget as possible to address the forward need.
What Francis might be shopping for
So really what the Hurricanes are seeking is a proven #4 defenseman with one or at most two years remaining on his contract whose contract is reasonable (less than market value actually) and who is available for a fair trade cost. And at a basic level that does not exist.
Instead, I think the challenging task at hand for Francis is to identify a special/unique case. It could be a player who had a really tough 2016-17 season but will rebound with a fresh start. It could be a team that desperately needs to cut salary and has to do a deal at less than market value to make it happen. It could be a player with a unique salary vs. salary cap hit mismatch. And that is the challenge sitting in front of Ron Francis and his scouting staff.
Identifying categories of players that could work
The assignment is definitely a challenging one, but here is a try to at least put forward the types of players and situations that could work.
Unique salary cap situations
What could be a good fit is a player on the last year or two of a front-loaded contract such that his salary cap hit is high, but his actually salary is much lower. The Hurricanes will not spend near the cap in 2017-18, so they could care less about that meaningless number. Only out of pocket actual salary matters.
Jason Garrison is a decent example. He is scheduled to make a very reasonable $2.5 million in 2017-18 but has a mismatched salary cap hit of $4.6 million. Even better, Garrison is under contract with the Lightning who have salary cap issues. Those were decreased but not completely resolved with the departure of Jonathan Drouin. IF Francis and his team think Garrison at 32 years old is capable of being a serviceable #4/#5 defenseman, he is a bargain and could be the best of all worlds. The fly in the ointment of this perfect story is that in two checks I did with people who track Tampa Bay closely, neither thought he was a top 4 at this stage of his career. If they are correct, and Garrison’s ceiling is really third pairing then he looks more like an overpriced depth defenseman and less like a fit for what the Hurricanes need.
Diamonds in the rough among the veteran free agent depth defensemen
During the 2016-17, a good number of veteran defensemen had strong seasons primarily in depth roles. Important to note is that part of the success in many cases probably stemmed from the players being used appropriately with limited minutes, largely third pairing assignments and some amount of selectivity in terms of match ups. That is to say that many of these players were good #5/#6 defensemen which at 30+ years of age is not to say that they are capable of being a regular #4.
But the fact that they were steady in 2016-17 at least holds out some hope that one of these players, in the right situation could be capable of being a short-term answer for the Hurricanes as a #4/#5. And because these players are unrestricted free agents the trade cost is nothing, and the salary cost should be reasonable. The list of players includes Kyle Quincey (31, New Jersey=>Columbus), John-Michael Liles (36, Boston), Matt Hunwick (32, Toronto), Ron Hainsey (36, Carolina=Pittsburgh and a wild card in Dan Girardi (33, New York Rangers) who was bought out. There are likely even a few more possibilities with more digging, but it is important to note that going with a player from this category is basically placing a bet that a 30+ year old defenseman who had a decent 2016-17 season in a lesser role can find a higher gear and become a top 4. The proof that it is at least possible is the solid rebound season that Dennis Seidenberg had with the Islanders last season.
The bet works well cost-wise but as illustrated by Hainsey’s struggles at times in a top 4 role with the Hurricanes last season, it is a risky proposition.
An inexpensive, relatively young, rising top 4 obtained from Las Vegas
With teams only able to protect three defensemen using the standard protection formula, Las Vegas has access to a high number of pretty good middle-ish defensemen. They are likely to select and keep some to begin building their team, but the Knights are likely to trade some for system depth too.
Josh Manson (Anaheim) would be an incredibly good pick up from Anaheim via Las Vegas, but is believed that Anaheim has a deal with Las Vegas and other enticing options, so who knows if Manson even makes it to Las Vegas. And if he does, there would certainly be other suitors. Brendan Dillon (San Jose) is a pricier option with a middle-ish $3.7 million salary for three more years. And there are others, though many are in a price range similar to or higher than Dillon which seems to be above where Francis wants to shop.
The positive is that Las Vegas will definitely be open for business and does have access to an interesting assortment of defensemen. The negatives are that the trade cost could be steep with Las Vegas running bidding wars and also the fact that many of the better options that might be available could be out of Francis’ price range.
Potentially underestimated importance
Francis already addressed what is in my opinion his top off-season priority when he added a starting goalie. If he adds a difference-maker at forward, he will have addressed his second biggest priority. At that point, many might figure that the two significant and needed upgrades that he made will all but assure a playoff spot.
While I agree that those moves would upgrade the team significantly in two areas, I think that what Francis does or does not do has the potential to sabotage the wins. Lost behind the story of Slavin and Pesce uniting to form a good first pairing defensive unit way ahead of schedule is the fact that the Hurricanes blue line generally struggled defensively otherwise. I am on record as not being impressed with the defensive part of Justin Faulk’s game. (See his 2016-17 report card HERE.) In my opinion, Hainsey/Faulk struggled more than they did not on the defensive side of the puck, and it showed on the road where opposing coaching preyed on them with their best forward lines. The third pairing was a revolving door next to Noah Hanifin and never really did stabilize. The situation took a late turn for the better when Hanifin moved into the top 4 and looked okay doing so, and Faulk finished the season on a high note.
Will Francis bet on a late-season trend that was positive over looking at the full season? The last time he did that was when he went back to Ward/Lack after the 2015-16 season based seemingly in part on Ward’s stronger late-season play.
Regardless of whether Francis bets heavily on Hanifin and is right, relies on a bounce back from Faulk defensively or adds outside help, solidifying the second defense pairing is critical, and the team also needs to be better in the third pairing too.
What say you fellow Caniacs?
Are you willing to bet on Noah Hanifin’s full-season readiness and a bounce back from Justin Faulk such that Francis really only needs to concern himself with the third pairing? Or do you want an insurance policy in the form of a #4/#5 defenseman?
Do you see any creative ideas either listed above or not that could be a final piece on the blue line?
Realizing that one cannot bet on it to start the season, but could Haydn Fleury be the third charm who develops gradually but then bursts onto the scene when he gets his NHL opportunity just like Slavin and Pesce?
Go Canes!
I am willing to bet on Hanifin continuing his play from the end of last season.
As I stated in the “like more” comments earlier this week, I actually anticipate Fleury being a solid 3/4 before the season is over. I don’t say this flippantly. He was a high first-round pick, has been developed over three years, and for the last 1/3 of the AHL season was performing as a #1 D man in that league. I think he has turned into what the organization thought he could be when drafted. I am not suggesting he won’t struggle some, or that he should be “rushed.” But in trying to consider the D situation objectively, it makes sense to consider his pedigree and success at the AHL level.
So that leads me to believe that Carolina most needs a solid RHD who is serviceable at 4 if necessary, nothing more. It would be a benefit if the team can find a player who can play both sides at a 4/5 level, thus filling in if Hanifin struggles and allowing Fleury to spend his first NHL year with limited expectations. However, that seems to be a Goldilocks situation. Also, it is being a little pessimistic in regards to both Hanifin and Fleury. I prefer to be realistically optimistic and think the D is in solid shape and might even be among the best 4 or 5 in the league as the season progresses.
It makes sense to sign a UFA to fill a role and as some insurance, but only for $2-2.5 M. If the Canes are going to spend $ on UFA, it makes the most sense to add scoring first.
ct has stated my thoughts better than I could. I think he has a good prospective on the situation. As with everyone’s ideas about our needs at various positions, it’s finding the player that fits our outline. Also, we need to have clearly in mind and stick to our expectations. My personal spin on the traits of what we need at defense is a player first who can drive the offense. By this I mean a defenseman who is mobile and can move the puck out of our defensive zone quickly. Second, he needs to have a decent offensive upside. Third, he has to not be a defensive liability. The first two criteria help accomplish the third criteria.
I’m also ready to bet on Hanifin. The lack of a stable pairing before the trade did him no favors and probably negatively affected our views on his play. Hard to hold that against him. He took a step forward after the Hainsey trade so that ought to tell us at least as much about where his game is.
I can see RF shopping in the higher end of the range for the Josh Manson/Brendon Dillon type player under the following scenario that we’ve discussed before: use an existing D-man (ie., Faulk) in a hockey trade for a center (ie., Galchenyuk/McKinnon) and backfill through Vegas or otherwise. MIN also has extra defensemen they’ll have a hard time keeping with their cap issues and lacks futures – maybe there is a deal possible there for Brodin/Scandella. We would not necessarily solve the 4/5 D-man issue exactly, but we would have solved the #1 priority without overly degrading our defense. Then we can shop the UFA market or work another trade for a 5/6 defensemen.
No additional thoughts on Fleury. I think the lesson learned from Hanifin is that we need to provide him a stable partner, preferably a veteran, to ease him in more gently.
Make that 4, I’m also ready to bet on Hanifin. CT nailed it.
The best time to go after a 4/5 D was pre-expansion. We did not do that, it means we tried and failed or RF just did not want that. At this point I see us signing a D (UFA or trade for picks), but only for $2-2.5 M.
RR said we need a D who is mobile and can move the puck out of our defensive zone quickly. That is Ryan Murphy. RF may not have given up on him yet. My concern with Murphy is he is small and always looses the puck during battles. He seems to get out-muscled often. It very possible RF is not going to trade him and hopes he morphs into what he was supposed to be. It is a possibility. I do see Fleury making the team this year. McKeown could make it too. Its possible RF does not go for any D.
I didn’t get blasted the last time I floated this name out there so I’ll do it again. Mark Streit as a 5/6 veteran d-man. He still can play at a pretty high level, shoots left but plays the right side, can captain the second team power play (something the Canes could really use) and likely to only require a 1 year deal at a reasonable amount. He’s also well liked and respected and would be a good mentor for someone like Fleury or even Murphy. Similar to Hainsey, but brings much more to the table in the offensive zone and on the PP. Probably good for 30 – 40 points. Any takers?
Yah, I would be a taker. Bringing John-Michael Liles back could work also. So could Ron Hainsey. As surgalt said, VGK could open up some things also. I am sure any potential D RF brings in would not be real high cost, probably less then 2.5M. A veteran could help mentoring. RF could stay as is. A forward should be the bigger focus.
Streit certainly is in the mold of what we need IMO. I sure don’t have any better ideas if what you say is correct, that he can play the right side. Good suggestion as far as I’m concerned. John Michael Liles falls in the same mold. Another good suggestion.
McPhee is on record to taking at least 9 defensemen tonight and using them as trade currency tomorrow. Is Lack combined w/ picks/prospects worth something sparkly back from Vegas?
RF really needs to find a veteran Dman who can play on the PK. It was quite painful to see Slavin playing the whole 2 minutes for some penalty kills last year (down the strech, after Hainsey was traded). It is not healthy to play the same D-pair for 100+ sec in a given 2-min PK. We need more Dman who can kill penalties.
Hopefully Fleury becomes a regular PK Dman with us next year. Was he killing penalties in Charlotte last year?
You are right IMO that we don’t want any defenseman to have to play virtually all of a 2 minute penalty. You are also right that we need some depth in penalty killing defensemen. I don’t know what his experience was with Charlotte re: killing penalties.
The his experience above is referring to Fleury.
IF Francis thinks a true #5/#6 is enough, Streit, Liles and maybe Hainsey could work. Hunwick and Quincey who I mentioned are also in this category. At a general level, I think a player could work to solidify the third pairing. My concern (and I am clearly in the minority per the other comments) is that I ideally want a player who could step into the top 4 if needed. I think we saw the challenges with overslotting an older defenseman into the top 4 with Hainsey/Faulk’s struggles last year. But if the majority is right that Hanifin is ready and if Faulk rebounds defensively, all should be good.
Don’t forget depth. Defensive depth is a requirement, not a nicety
I realize Hainsey played well for PIT in the playoffs but I don’t think he’s the answer anymore in CAR in any role.
I think we should still focus on getting a veteran defenseman, but I’d go a little younger. Cody Franson is a UFA and would be adequate on a 2 or even 3 year deal. Michael Stone might be an option if he’s willing to take a reduced pay day; his play in Calgary certainly did him no favors in that regard. Those are two names I’d keep an ear to the ground for.
As VGK’s ExDraft picks have become known it is clear they are picking a lot of D-men. I am wondering what your opinion is, Matt (and others!), of them and whether any may be worthy targets for the Canes to try to get the Knights to flip.
I will probably put up an article tonight hunting through the initial Las Vegas roster looking for players that could help the Canes.
One name that jumps out today is Alex Emelin. IF Las Vegas is just going to trade away assets and actually needs a bit more salary for 2017-18 and is therefore willing to eat the maximum half of Emelin’s contract, he becomes interesting.
He brings more of the physical/rugged/sometimes nasty element that the Canes generally lack. He is only signed for one year, so that works well for building 2017-18 depth importantly without taking on a long-term commitment. He is another penalty kill option who could fill the hole left by Hainsey. And he is at least potentially a left shot top 4 plan B and also injury depth.
His 2017-18 salary (not cap) is fairly steep at $4.4M but it’s only one year and looks even better if Las Vegas retains salary.
So there is probably one entry for a post expansion draft article tonight. 🙂
I predict GMRF will surprise me. I don’t think he’ll go back to the same well, though I could see Liles.
I think he’s going to get a #4 RHD as a part of some trade, not sure if it’ll be w Vegas or not.
I don’t think he’ll go too cheap, at least in terms of salary, either. I’m guessing a player salary of 2.5-4.5 million with two years left.
I don’t think he’s worried about blocking out a younger player. If our youth/prospects push this player down or out of the lineup, he’s depth they can afford and a possible trade deadline asset, either this year or next.
Watch him sign a LHD that can play the right side for 1.5 M to prove I have no clue what I’m talking about.
Well with all the rumors surrounding the Canes and Trevor Van Riemdyk, that would be an outstanding option if we didn’t overpay. The soon to be 26 year old is a right shot, has some minor playoff experience and seems like a good #5/#6 option.