After a busy day, my start writing for Thursday’s Daily Cup of Joe was too late to do anything substantive on the draft. I will get to that in the days ahead. If anyone has comments or wants to discuss anything about the draft, feel free to also do that in the comments today.
Well-timed with news from the deadline to qualify restricted free agents on Wednesday, today’s Daily Cup of Joe works on building out the bottom of the Hurricanes forward group including depth.
I am on record as saying that the single biggest difference-maker that the Hurricanes could add would be an offensive catalyst in the form of a second line center. Such a player would be in place of Vincent Trocheck. Second to that, the Hurricanes could use another finisher at wing though must be careful with salary cap budget for that slot.
But as of right now, I group the Hurricanes forwards as follows:
Bona fide first or second line — Sebastian Aho, Teuvo Teravainen, Andrei Svechnikov
Whether playing together on a top-heavy first line or split among the top two lines, this trio is a great starting point of young, capable offensive players.
Need to play and importantly produce at second line level to fit — Vincent Trocheck, Ryan Dzingel, Nino Niederreiter, Martin Necas
Below the big three are three players who ideally need to be a big part of the solution to being two lines deep offensively.
In his defense, Vincent Trocheck had an odd start as a Hurricane with two short stints separated by a four-month layoff. He had only a goal and an assist for two points in seven games during the regular season and then zero goals and two assists in eight games during the playoffs. Needless to say, a 22-point pace over 82 games does not cut it. On the positive side, the sample size is small and was under odd circumstances, so giving Trocheck more time to settle in and not making rash decisions makes perfect sense. On the other hand, actual results are worth considering even if not statistically complete. Given his salary, where he slots and the fact that the third line centered by Staal is almost certain to be scoring-lite, I have Vincent Trocheck pegged as the single most important forward on the Hurricanes given the current roster.
Nino Niederreiter is another player who needs to produce more given his salary and role. He is a bit one-dimensional such that he is either scoring or otherwise underperforming. He played at a peak level as a finishing power forward around the crease with Aho and Teravainen for a brief period after arriving and has mostly been wandering since. I would be surprised to see the Hurricanes buy anyone out this off-season, but when the salary cap situation gets even tighter next summer with Svechnikov’s new contract, Niederreiter could figure to be a buyout candidate if he does not re-find his scoring touch in 2020-21.
Also in the category of needing to do more offensively is Ryan Dzingel. A bit like Niederreiter, Dzingel really needs to produce on the score sheet to be a plus player. He did show flashes of playmaking with the puck on his stick, but his ability to make a difference comes from putting the puck in the net. He did that pretty consistently prior to joining the Hurricanes, so the upside is there.
Finally, there is Martin Necas. His situation is a bit different in that as a young player, there is reason to have a bit more patience with his development. But specifically looking at the 2020-21 season, Necas is a bit like Niederreiter and Dzingel in that his upside is scoring and offense and that he will be pressed to be a difference-maker otherwise.
The Holy Grail for the Carolina Hurricanes for the 2020-21 Carolina Hurricanes is if Trocheck can click with two out of three from Dzingel, Niederreiter and Necas to form a potent scoring second line. Whichever of Dzingel and/or Niederreiter is not producing has the potential to fall all the way out of the lineup as happened in the playoffs since their skill sets are not a great fit for more purpose-built lower lines.
Checking, grinding and complementary play — Jordan Staal, Brock McGinn, Warren Foegele
The next group is a trio of players who can bring a bit more rugged and have the potential to be a great defensive line but can at least chip in offensively. The Holy Grail here is if Jordan Staal can regain the level he played at on a checking-focused line with Joaquim Nordstrom and Andrej Nestrasil. Paired with two players who were bottom half of the roster caliber players, Staal was so incredibly good that this line could play heavy minutes against other teams’ top lines and generally hold their own despite not scoring a ton. The problem at the time was that the Hurricanes did not have a legitimate scoring line to balance things out. That has changed. The question is whether Staal can re-find that gear via some combination of reaching a higher level of play himself and/or finding chemistry with a couple line mates. In my opinion, Staal was not at that level in 2019-20, so the question is whether that was just ups and downs or if he has lost a step or two now in the back half of his career.
Brock McGinn and Warren Foegele can slide up and down the lineup. They are best suited for playing on a physical checking line like the theoretical one build around Staal. Each player has enough scoring ability to be a short-term spark on a higher scoring line for short stretches, but I think at the point where either McGinn or Foegele becomes a regular on a top scoring line, it says something about the Hurricanes offense and scoring depth just like overslotted Hurricanes of years past like Chad LaRose, Patrick Dwyer, Nathan Gerbe and many more. McGinn and Foegele also play the type of game that fits well on a fourth line if they get bumped down.
Ideally, McGinn and Foegele are pushed down to the third or fourth line by players who can bring a bit more on the score sheet.
Good fourth-liners — Morgan Geekie, Jordan Martinook
Having only played a handful of games (VERY successfully) in the regular season and then the playoffs, Morgan Geekie‘s ceiling is not yet known. He was competent or better defensively as a center and better than good enough offensively. That is enough to earn more ice time in a fourth line role with a chance to be considered for promotion if things go well. Putting the longer-term future to the side, Geekie figures to have first try at being the fourth line center.
Jordan Martinook is another Chad LaRose-like bellwether in terms of Hurricanes forward depth. His consistent engine, leadership and high emotional IQ for what the team/bench needs is a great fit for the fourth line. Further, he scores at a good clip for this role. But maybe even more so than McGinn and Foegele, he is probably overslotted on a higher line for anything more than a short burst as a spark plug.
Geekie and Martinook had good chemistry in their time together on the fourth line in 2019-20. Ideally, they are reunited in that same role in 2020-21 and can continue to play a strong cycling game that minimizes chances against and generates above average fourth line scoring to boot.
The wild card — Justin Williams
I was on record as thinking the Hurricanes would have been significantly better off with one more year of Justin Williams’ leadership as the team tried to transition from being a bit of an underdog with no pressure and minimal expectations to a team with much higher expectations. With another playoff berth and at least modest success in the qualifying series win, I think the Hurricanes are ready to move on. There could still be a place for Williams, but I think he fulfilled his very important mission in terms of providing leadership and changing the culture. As such, I view a possible Williams’ return as much more of a mixed bag with pros and cons.
Netting out the current roster/lineup
When I net it out, I feel very good about the very top of the Canes forward group, and I feel very confident in team’s ability to stock a fourth line that has a role and a purpose. The big question marks are the middle six. Can Trocheck and company find a higher gear and chemistry and finally make the Canes two lines deep scoring-wise? Can Jordan Staal re-find his elite checking line center gear from a couple years back and be the core of an top-end match up line?
Looking outside for help — Dreams=> Hopes=> Cheap depth
I already voted no on Patrik Laine because of the financial challenges that he could bring, but I do think the Hurricanes could benefit from adding one more impact scoring forward. I wrote about the dream version of that in Steven Stamkos earlier this week. And I also wrote about the maybe somewhat more attainable options in players like Nikolaj Ehlers or Kyle Palmieri.
Today’s deadline for qualification of restricted free agents offers another interesting option. After acquiring him in the Vincent Trocheck trade, the Florida Panthers did not qualify Lucas Wallmark today. As an aside, I think the dirty little secret that most probably are not seeing is that the Trocheck trade was really a salary cap dump for the Panthers. They received temporary help in Erik Haula and Lucas Wallmark to backfill Trocheck’s slot for the 2019-20 season but did not really intend to keep either. Combined with a couple mid-tier prospects, more so I think the Panthers were happy to get out of Trocheck’s contract. Here is hoping that Florida’s evaluation of Trocheck’s worth at least relative to his salary is off base. But looking forward not backward, Wallmark could be an interesting depth pickup for the Hurricanes. Though their skill sets are a bit different and Geekie’s upside might be a bit higher, the two are similar in their ability to do a few different things and fill a depth center slot with the potential to provide at least some scoring. Just as I think Canes fans overvalued Wallmark, I think many are overestimating Geekie as a sure thing as a regular NHLer. The early returns are clearly favorable, but adding inexpensive center depth could be a wise use of a fairly small amount of salary if the Hurricanes are unable to make a bigger addition. Minus Williams, the Hurricanes only have 12 forwards, so Wallmark could slot at #13 to begin with.
What say you Canes fans?
1) How do you feel about the possibility of the Hurricanes entering the 2020-21 season with the current forward group?
2) Of Trocheck’s scoring line and Staal’s checking line for the middle six forwards, which one do you feel more confident in? Does either concern you?
3) Assuming the Hurricanes cannot land a bigger fish in the form of a top 6 scoring forward, what are your thoughts on bringing back Lucas Wallmark for inexpensive depth?
Go Canes!
I agree with the assessment of Trocheck being a salary dump. I’m not convinced he’s he right 2C for us. In the limited sample of playoffs, I didn’t see much chemistry with any other the forwards he played with. I’d be happy to package him and Gardiner to Winnipeg for Ehlers. I think an Ehlers/Necas/Dzingel or Nino (if can’t dump that salary somewhere) makes a good second scoring line.
I liked Wallmark, kind of surprised he wasn’t qualified in FLA. I wouldn’t mind picking him up again. I think the big thing is when Staal was out he was fantastic, when Staal came back he disappeared. How can we get the consistency to be at the top more is the question. Since you figured Rod tried, not sure he’d be able to come back.
Since Toffoli is going FA, if you can’t pull off something for Ehlers, can we sign Toffoli, then maybe work something with another team to offset that salary. If you could pull off the Trocheck trade and Canes aren’t convinced of Necas playing center, could you work a deal for Tyler Johnson? He’d be quite an effective 2C for a while. Same right shot, almost same salary as Trocheck, but older.
I’m not surprised by anything FLA does anymore.
I would also look at one of the other non-tendered qualifying offer players other than Wallmark. Pro Hockey Rumors (https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/) has a list of the top 10 which includes Wallmark. There are some interesting candidates on that list which we may be able to get cheap this year in the flat cap era.
I’ve been worried about Staal’s offense for quite some time but have come to believe that his real value is in the playoffs when he can eat heavy minutes against the other team’s top lines. That part of his game has not eroded and we’re going to need that part of his game more then (playoffs) than we need his offense now (regular season).
So I worry more about Trocheck’s line. I always thought we was an edgy and dangerous player in FLA and was quite surprised by how little we had to give up to get him (salary dump, indeed). He was generally good in the playoffs and it takes a while to settle in so I’m still giving him a pass. I’ll be more worried if we’re still talking about this 20 games into next season. Starting him off with Svetch might help him get off to the good start he’ll need.
That Staal line with Joaquim Nordstrom and Andrej Nestrasil was really the highlight of that season. As much as it says about Staal for anchoring a line with those two players, let’s not overlook that Nordstrom has played extremely well in BOS in a very similar role and has more skill that we gave him credit for. If we’re going to revisit Canes of lore, we should also talk about bringing Nordstrom back – he would be an affordable, durable, and physical utility player with deep playoff experience.
I still think we’re one 50-60 point player away. Maybe, to ct’s “grooming” point from yesterday, that becomes Necas or maybe Suzuki surprises us like Foegele did.
I can’t imagine we’re done making roster changes.
I’m not so wild about bringing back old players. It almost never works out. Why would either Nordstrom or Wallmark want to come back? The Canes didn’t see them as important parts of the team then, why now? It almost screams “I couldn’t find anywhere else to go.” Pass.
All this micro picking doesn’t mean much if the Canes can’t unload some salary. It’s preferable this year, but essential next year. The Canes are going to have to give up a nice draft pick or prospect to get that done. That’s the real question for this offseason, and no, I don’t think that is going to be Trocheck. He deserves a full season. Even Gardiner got that…
Whoa! As this is a “whoa” moment for me. FLA did not qualify Wallmark??? WTF?? Whoever picks him up has got a winner. That said, I don’t think he has a place here. Geekie took that role, at the very least.
Matt – you designated Geekie as a 4th liner. He is a true 3rd liner and would be but for Staal.
And I am so glad you mentioned Staal with Nesty and Nordy. There was a two month where that line, playing heavy minutes against other teams’ top lines, was not scored on 5×5.
Anyway…
I like the group if Trocheck clicks – he seemed dangerously close clicking with Necas (remembers it is pairs and not trios that make deadly combinations..usually). Geekie is underslotted at 4 and probably would be a solid replacement for Trocheck at 2C if necessary.
JW is gone, so who fills in his role as (slow-skating) RW?
Nino turned into a massive disappointment last season. I don’t want to “pray” for a return of his 4 months of glory. He needs a change in scenery or itme in the pressbox to change that.
Speaking of time in the press box, Dzingel after being exiled there against the Rangers probably played his best hockey of the season against the Bruins. He was active and visible and playing with an edge. He is top 6.
I agree with lts on two things – let Nordy and Wallmark find their future elsewhere. They are NHL ballers and will do it. And why are we sitting on $19+M of sad contracts – they really limit what we can do.