The recent history under Bill Peters
After a 2016-17 season that saw Coach Bill Peters challenged to find combinations and rotations of forward lines that worked on the road. The formula at home for Peters has generally been pretty simple. Jordan Staal’s line, often with Slavin/Pesce, generally marks the other teams’ best lines.
In 2015-16, Staal found chemistry with depth forwards Joakim Nordstrom and Andrej Nestrasil and the trio was the cornerstone of a too little too late surge from December through the end of February when Nestrasil was lost to a season-ending injury and trade deadline departures by notables including Eric Staal upset the team’s rhythm.
In 2016-17, Staal played with wider variety of line mates, especially early, but again settled into a rhythm that boosted the team starting about mid-season. Staal spent time with Sebastian Aho and Teravainen and also had a long run with Elias Lindholm on his right side.
But the formula did not translate to the road. When away from home, opposing coaches with the last change could easily steer scoring lines away from Staal’s line and instead force them to muck and grind with offsetting checking lines. And in 2016-17 specifically, the Hurricanes’ combinations behind Staal were full of holes. Peters tries supporting the Hainsey/Faulk pairing that struggled on the road with Staal’s line and then using Slavin/Pesce to help the other forward lines who had to play against other teams’ scoring lines. Peters really did not have a second set defensively either in terms of forward lines or defense pairings. The result was a porous defense on the road especially during the middle part of the season when the team’s playoff hopes mostly died.
In 2016-17, the Hurricanes played at close to target playoff pace at home (2/3 of the points), missing by only 2-3 points. But the team missed the road playoff pace (1/2 of the points) by a wide margin with a 13-19-6 record that fell 6 points short. All of the minus 6 on the road came in the first three months of the season when the team struggled to a 4-10-6 mark.
The team played better in the second half of the season, but some of the success was also a result of Peters’ smoke and mirrors strategy during the team’s late season surge. What looked like completely random in-game line shuffling on the road to the fan base was actually Peters resorting to a high amount of random to make it challenging for opposing coaches to read and react to patterns to get the match up they wanted. Peters would send the wing from one of the lesser lines over the wall first for a change which would prompt the opposing coach to send his scoring line. Peters would then follow with Staal or similar for a makeshift line that at least partly matched the other team’s best the way he wanted. Though Peters’ “random is impossible to match against” strategy worked to some degree, having to constantly shuffle forward combinations was not an optimal long-term solution for improving the road hockey that played a significant role in dooming the 2016-17 season.
The offseason
The Hurricanes entered the offseason with a bit of budget and a couple high priority needs. Francis addressed the first and arguably biggest need when he added Scott Darling and parted ways with Eddie Lack. He then added Justin Williams as his bigger salary forward addition.
But along the way, Francis also completely revamped the bottom half of the roster. He added Trevor van Riemsdyk to solidify the third pairing that was an Achilles’ heel during pretty much the entirety of the 2016-17 season. Francis also reworked the fourth line, adding proven checking line forwards Marcus Kruger and Josh Jooris to replace Jay McClement and Viktor Stalberg.
When the dust settled on the offseason, Peters now had at his disposal the makings of a third defense pairing that would not be as big of a liability defensively and also a newly-minted veteran checking line capable of being plan B behind Staal’s line for the tough match ups, especially on the road where opposing coaches could easily steer around Staal’s line.
Deployment during the 2017-18 season thus far
Peters’ comments, line combinations and usage during preseason showed the direction he was going. He basically wanted to build a fourth line that he could trust to take shifts behind Staal’s line on the road and also coming out of power plays such that opposing coaches trying to steer scoring lines around Staal would instead run directly into plan B, a solid checking line centered by Marcus Kruger. The general idea was that Peters now had a second option that he could trust defensively.
In addition, similar to the 2016-17 season, the Hurricanes penalty kill would largely be filled by the fourth line as well. Nordstrom and Kruger have been regulars on the penalty kill, and Josh Jooris has also logged a decent amount of time in that role.
But is it actually working?
At a 50,000-foot level, the Hurricanes have fewer holes in their lineup especially on the road where they cannot dictate match ups. Perhaps the biggest contributor in that regard is Trevor van Riemsdyk who has helped solidify the third defense pairing which struggled last season. Justin Williams also added another solid two-way forward capable of playing against anyone.
But back to the matter at hand…Has Peters’ approach using the fourth line to build out a reliable checking line paid dividends thus far?
I have written about the fourth line twice recently and settled on the word “torn” to describe its role and level of play. First, on December 29, I talked about the line at a high level and touched on their lack of scoring. Then on January 3, I did a reasonably deep dive on the Hurricanes penalty kill highlighting the fact that the fourth-liners have struggled at least in terms of goals allowed while they were on the ice.
When I net it out for the fourth line, it is like this:
1) Whether they are good or better defensively just is not enough with their meager scoring rates. It just is not possible to 100 percent shut out opponents, so if a line cannot score, it is inevitably a minus. Kruger, Nordstrom, Jooris and Di Giuseppe have a combined pace that projects to only 4 goals scored per 82 games played. That just does not cut it in today’s NHL.
2) Through 41 games, the Hurricanes’ penalty kill ranks 24th in the NHL. That takes away any argument that the value of the fourth line is its excellence in this role. On top of that, the goals allowed rates (per the penalty kill article linked to above) are worst for fourth-liners Kruger and Nordstrom.
Based on the results above, I do not think building a veteran-based fourth line has yielded the results desired and expected initially.
So is it as simple as improving the fourth line’s play either with the current players or new ones?
A next logical jump is to figure that the Hurricanes simply need to improve the fourth line still building it with the same purpose. That could be accomplished with some combination of the current players stepping up. Or it could be accomplished with new personnel.
But in a 2018 NHL in which teams do not need to stock one or two enforcers who maybe can barely skate and in a 2018 Hurricanes organization that is gradually becoming deep at the forward position both at the NHL level and below, we might be on the brink of seeing a ‘new NHL’ fourth line for the Hurricanes.
The potential to stock the fourth line with young skill players
Oftentimes, fans want to give up the checking line style altogether and just build a scoring-capable fourth line from skilled, young players. Conceptually, that sounds wonderful, but in reality it is tricky to implement in a way that has a positive effect as measured by goals for but equally importantly goals against.
There is a reason why some forwards are first line or second line versus fourth line. Top line players are better. Even on a good team with depth, there is significant difference between players like Crosby, Stamkos, McDavid and others who man the first line and the players who fill the fourth line. Going with a plan that takes a team’s 10th-12th best forwards and tries to beat Crosby’s line by outscoring them is fraught with problems. That plan becomes even more precarious if the 10th-12th best forwards are also inexperienced and prone to make more mistakes than veterans.
Basically, if a team wants to build a fourth line with young skilled players who lean offense over defense and/or are still learning the ropes and prone to making a good number of mistakes, then that line will not be a good fit for being used as an old school, checking type of fourth line.
Enter Victor Rask and Justin Williams
So IF the Hurricanes were to build a fourth line with young skill players, Peters would need another alternative to be capable of being two deep defensively at forward.
The general idea would be to use Staal’s line and then another higher line to do the heavy lifting and ideally catch as many of the tough match ups as possible even on the road. Then a young skill line could be used opportunistically to try to generate offense. Instead of using a fourth line selectively in defensive situations looking to hold the other team down, Peters would use the fourth line selectively trying to prey on favorable match ups against lesser defenders.
But to do that, the Hurricanes would need another line that Peters could trust nearly as much as Staal’s. Enter Victor Rask and Justin Williams who have played together a decent amount since Kruger went down with his injury. Sure, they are higher-end than Nordstrom/Kruger, but Peters has used them in a similar manner 5-on-5 at least.
It makes sense, for whatever issues Rask has in terms of offense and scoring, he continues to be a pretty solid defensive forward who has enough size to match up against power forwards. Justin Williams’ strength is similarly his two-way play. While there are different combinations that could accomplish the same thing, Rask and Williams as a pair are interesting. The TSA line seems to be sticking together, and many of the other forwards are not as good of a fit for a role that leans slightly toward “defense first” with “offense too” coming second.
What 2018-19 could look like at forward
My hunch is that we will need to wait another season until the situation unfolds. Many of the players who could potentially hop into the NHL lineup are in their first year as professionals at the AHL level and could use more time to develop. In addition, the 2017-18 is rapidly approaching crunch time such that it is not a great time for trial and error if the Hurricanes remain in the playoff chase.
But looking forward to 2017-18, could see Peters transition away from having a lower-end fourth line focused on defense to having a fourth line that opportunistically aims to score.
Match up line #1: Aho/Staal/Teravainen
Match up line #2: McGinn/Rask/Williams
Opportunistic scoring line #1: Skinner/Ryan/Lindholm
Opportunistic scoring line #2: Some combination of Martin Necas, Warren Foegele, Aleksi Saarela, Lucas Wallmark, Valentin Zykov, Nicolas Roy, etc.
Critical to making this work is having enough capable penalty killers without stocking a fourth line with that type of player. That seems workable for the Hurricanes. Jordan Staal is the team’s best forward penalty killer in 2017-18, and McGinn, Ryan and Lindholm have all played on the penalty kill with decent results. Foegele also projects to be a capable NHL penalty killer based on what he has accomplished in that role at lower levels.
If this were to materialize, the Hurricanes would suddenly have two capable checking lines but in the form of lines that could also score. That becomes even more true if McGinn’s slot were filled with a left wing capable of producing more offense. In addition, the Hurricanes other two lines would both be built to score. Skinner’s line would play regular shifts and fill power play slots. The young fourth line could be used a little bit more opportunistically and dictated by match ups.
There would inevitably be some growing pains going in this direction, but I really think that this is exactly where the good teams with organizational depth are headed, and the Hurricanes suddenly have an organization that might support such a transition.
Go Canes!
Really like this analysis. There is quite a bit of talent in the organization. In fact, it should be possible to create a line that is both opportunistic and something of a checking line. Foegele at LW, Wallmark at C, and Roy at RW would provide that.
The challenge is adding too much inexperience all at once. Because that line doesn’t include Necas, Zykov, Kuokkanen, or Saarela. One of those players might be ready in 2018-19. (With the sudden scoring challenges in Charlotte, maybe I am overestimating the talent level.)
As much as I like the idea, I don’t really see RF and BP creating a “rookie” line or putting a team on the ice with three of more rookie forwards in any combination. If Wallmark gets 20 or so games this year, at least he wouldn’t be “unknown.” There should be some room on the roster next season–my guess is Di Giuseppe, Jooris, and, maybe, Nordstrom are not re-signed. Kruger and McGinn are both under contract for next season.
So thinking through what I have just written. My best guess would be a young forward playing with Rask and Williams. Most likely Foegele, possibly Kuokkanen. Then a hybrid fourth line with Wallmark/Kruger/Roy or Zykov. McGinn becomes the 13th, ready to step in if one of the rookies struggles.
If Necas is ready, he makes sense between Skinner and Lindholm. Then the hybrid line could be Wallmark/Kruger/Ryan. Kruger averaged 15-20 assists in Chicago. So I think he has some scoring potential paired with players who can produce goals. In that case, Wallmark/Kruger/Ryan could be both opportunistic and trusted to match up with another team’s strength.
If I made the decisions it would be:
TSA
Foegele/Rask/Williams
Skinner/Necas/Lindholm
Wallmark/Kruger/Ryan
Then BP could do his mix and match from there.
Those potential lines have me so excited for the future. And that scenario still leaves us with a ton of trade chips for potential moves. Or more player development success.
I’d trade Skins, and Faulk before I addressed the penalty – kill!
The return from that should be significant… AND REPLACING PK is easier than acquiring REAL TALENT!
Kruger should be moved, and if Rask isn’t traded…maybe he could kill penalties, BUT he’s pretty expensive for the amount of scoring he has provided!
And locker room chemistry comes from where? Heck Edmonton has TALENT oozing through their frozen pond, and they still suck. Chemistry is just as important PG. Love you bro.
I like this approach very much. To beat the other good teams you have to do something differently, and this fits the bill.
When the checking line is also a scoring line (e.g. TSA), the other team’s best scoring lines can be a liability defensively. Coming out on the right side of the plus/minus against opponents best lines is a repeatable recipe for success.
Interesting discussion. We seem to have a bunch of 2 way match up forwards and less opportunity scorers.
Rask, Lindholm, Staal, McGinn, Kruger, Nordy, PDG, Jooris, etc
Is Williams really a matchup guy or are we wasting his ability? Aho and TT scorers because they are great forecheckers and have skill to score. Essentially they are deadly against a team’s weakest defensive line, the top line.
Wallmark and Foegle can score. They are more matchup guys though. Foegle is tied, or at least was, for the AHL lead for SHG. Wallmark plays a solid 2 way game. We are paying Rask too much to be a matchup guy.
Next years line:
Turbo-Aho-Lindholm scoring
McGinn-Staal-Williams matchup
Skinner-Ryan-Zykov(or a UFA/trade) scoring and by far weakest defensive line
Nordy-Wallmark-Foegle/PDG/Jooris matchup
Williams allows us to slide him among Wallmark’s line for more experience, with Aho to provide veteran presence, or with Ryan to provide a counterbalance to Skinner’s lack of forecheck.
Rask and Kruger are moved. Both are good possession guys but we have similar and lesser paid guys in the wings. Plus Aho needs a shot at center.
Ryan is not a top scoring line center. Rask and Williams would make an expensive 4th line. I realize the idea of our kids filling the 3rd line would be on entry-level salaries hence evening things out, but I just don’t see this scenario happening.
I agree with Puckgod and a few others. Skinner is a gifted scorer, but is on a secondary scoring line for a reason. He’s primarily an offensive puck hog and has difficulties back checking (because of this I can’t see Skins w/the playmaker Necas). Faulk is soon to be passed by the depth chart over the next 2 years. I say trade both for the skillsets we lack to complete the rebuild GMRF has in mind. Lastly, waive Kruger.
I wouldn’t view Rask/Williams as the 4th line. Rather, they would fill an important role if Peters still wants to be able to go 1-2 in terms of thwarting opposing coaching aiming to play match ups.
Especially if they had a defensively capable, playmaking left wing, I think they could match the good part of Nordstrom/Kruger/Jooris or Di Giuseppe in that they would be solid/trustworthy defensively, but they would also do what Kruger’s line cannot (thus far anyway) which is attack offensively. In today’s NHL, it’s just too hard to aim for a 0-0 tie for a line game in and game out and though it is not intentional, that is where Kruger’s line lands right now.
Stempniak’s return could be interesting in this regard. I would not read too much into where he plays initially. He has been out a long time and just needs ice time and to get up to speed and shake the rust off. But down the road, could Teravainen be such a two-way left wing and a catalyst for Rask and Williams who both have decent finishing ability? And at the same time, could Stempniak provide enough ability and finishing such that Staal’s line still goes offensively?
Matt, I totally hear you buddy and appreciate the deep thought analysis as always. I’m still going to disagree on this one, but that’s okay…the commonality is we are Caniacs 🙂
In a traditional sense, typically a 2nd shutdown line on an NHL roster is the 4th line. The 1st shutdown line is typically the 3rd line (or checking line). The successful teams are usually built this way because you don’t want your offensive gems spending too much time defending others, so it makes sense to place most your top 6 offensive weapons on the first two lines. I agree Staal line is shutdown #1, but we’re asking him to be a 3C on a 1C line (when you boil it down). Tuevo and Aho make it seem like it’s more, and in part it has been, but over an 82-game stretch tough to tell. I think we have a handful of 2nd/3rd/4th line tweeners, with not enough top line talent to make complete sense of it this season. The rebuild is not over and I think more moves are in store.
Stempniak makes things veeeeery interesting.
If he plays well and the Canes move into the first wild card or third divisional position, then he keeps playing. However, if he is only a half level below last year, I am not sure he is a big upgrade.
As ashville puts it so succinctly above–“you have to do something differently.” I said before the season we could be a playoff team and sellers. Stempniak might net a decent return from someone like Calgary (especially with Jagr leaving). If the Canes are making the playoffs either with the current team or with the call-up of Wallmark/Zykov, then just because conventional wisdom is to buy, doesn’t mean it would be for the best.
Now I would be as excited as any caniac if we could get Max P or a similar 60+ point player–though even then it is a tossup at best. Again I will mention the Rangers in 2016 and Eric Staal or the Wild and Hanzal last season. A lesser player doesn’t really make sense now Stempniak is back. As mentioned in this post, there are 5-6 players with the potential to make the Canes better as early as next season. Trading one or more of them only makes sense for immediate improvement AND at least another season in Raleigh. Anything less is following conventional wisdom blindly.
I know I am an outlier, but I have no problem being a seller this season given the potential for a prospect to serve much the same purpose as acquiring a middle-six forward. Finally, this coming draft is unusual in that there will be some players drafted in the second round who would be first-rounders most years. So if Stempniak would return a 2nd-rounder, being a seller this year has real upside.